mobilemama
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i was reading on the centrelink or oap website and saw it said must wait 104 weeks for portability,
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Post by mobilemama on Mar 31, 2013 10:26:11 GMT 7
aussie bernie and i have been given different info about the 2 year residency , he has been in Thailand for 12 years i have been in Indonesia with regular trips back to aus, i still use my medicare with no problems when in aus i only visit for 3/4 weeks at a time i do have a car there but no house etc i stay with family, i was told that when i am 65 i claim my oap but must stay 2 years after receiving it to have full portability, he was told he must stay 2 years before claiming, so he has residency and he can take it outside aust, at least i think so, we are both 63, i was told that if i went back now and spent 2 years there i would still have to spend 2 years living in aus after claiming pension, this would mean 4 years in aus. I am prepared to do the 2 years after i get pension but 4 years would be just toooo much as i have a very limited income. i am a clean skin and have no record at cl. It appears bernie has been given different info. can anyone clarify this info for me.
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Post by Banjo on Mar 31, 2013 11:30:53 GMT 7
Doesn't sound right to me Mama. Are you on a benefit now? What do you call regular trips back to Oz? Maybe you haven't trashed your residency. Where did you get the info from? Here's our thread on it, dspoverseas.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=conversation&action=display&thread=594Next time you're back, give Welfare Rights a ring and get their take on it. Who knows, if you just reduce your travel a bit for the next couple of years you may be OK.
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Post by peter on Mar 31, 2013 13:57:58 GMT 7
I did a post on this matter, around 25th of February, and I quoted from the Centrelink site.
From what I read and what I quoted, it is quite permissible to go onto the NewStart for two years, and thereby achieve Australian residency. Then once one has Australian residency, one is eligible for a portable OAP according to one's AWLR rate.
Perhaps Centrelink did not mention the option of standing by on NewStart as a means to obtaining two year's Australian residency. which qualifies one to be a permanent Australian resident which in turn qualifies one to have a portable OAP.
My post would be under Portablitiy or OAP.
It is best to do your own research, so that when you approach Centrelink, one is aware of the options available, and not have to wait for Centrelink to suggest them, which the Centrelink people involved, may or may not do.
They may perhaps, not tell you that you can standby on NewStart for two years to achieve what you want. Australians abroad are not high on the priority list.
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Post by Banjo on Mar 31, 2013 14:59:11 GMT 7
Maybe she is more concerned with the cost of living in Australia, even with the lush excesses possible on NewStart.
It surprises me how few people have contested the 2 year rule, there's zilch in the legislation about it, it's just a rule they made up. If I was stuck here waiting (Banjo fervently touches wood, spits over his left shoulder and places a necklace of garlic around his neck) I think I'd appeal it for something to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 15:27:32 GMT 7
Stay on the Disability Pension Mobilemama! That seems to be the prevailing thought I've learned here, and that is we do have that right of choice; but of course it would mean applying for Indefinite Portability and doing it from within Australia! I think a 2 month wait with hat in hand is better than a 4 year wait, with the ever rising costs associated with living in Australia; don't you love? Good Luck anyway... Cheetal:))
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Post by chrisnouy on Apr 1, 2013 9:40:01 GMT 7
The two year stay in australia-- rule is for Returning residents. It was specifically designed for the 'greeks ' who came to oz got citizenship then disappeared again only returning at pension time I found the web site a couple of years ago and went right back through the legislation as far as 198? The rational for the returning residents was the very LAST LINE cos They dont want you to knou if you havt lost residence then no problem but make sure you are in oz on the day you qualify make sure you are in Oz for your pension day birthday and you should have no trouble I challenged them on this when they tried it on me --and won Everybody who has a problem should repeat this fact ad nauseam until they listen
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mobilemama
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i was reading on the centrelink or oap website and saw it said must wait 104 weeks for portability,
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Post by mobilemama on Apr 1, 2013 9:54:48 GMT 7
I am not on any pension etc from aus and cant afford to live there at present but i do make 4/5 trips back each year, to visit my kids and grandies i don't seem to have lost my residency, cant seem to get a straight answer and don't want them to know too much about me until i claim pension. but wont know for sure until i return to claim my oap, yes i can get new start but prefer to live here where my life is until its necessary to return to claim my oap. when i inquired i was told that i could have newstart for 2 years, then claim oap but would have to remain in aust for 2 years AFTER i got the pension to get full portability, this makes 4 years in aus i know this is confusing, i was also told that if i went back now on new start i still wouldn't get full portability until after i had been on oap for two years, i do meet all the other requirements. But bernie seems to have been told he will get full portability as soon as he gets his pension.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Apr 1, 2013 10:25:45 GMT 7
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Post by chrisnouy on Apr 1, 2013 10:30:49 GMT 7
This is the web page I reffered to above It is a comprehensive summary of policy. it is long but worth a read I have pasted the appropriate paragraph www.fahcsia.gov.au/about-fahcsia/international/policy/portability-of-australian-income-support-payments#3Quote the fundamental tenets of the Australian social security system are residence and need. Because residence is a fundamental qualification criterion for Australian social security payments, former residents who return to Australia and subsequently claim Australian social security payments with indefinite portability, are required to stay in Australia for at least two years before their payment becomes portable. The policy rationale for this requirement is that indefinite portability is allowed to Australian residents only. NB --The former resident rule prevents people who lose their connections with Australia to return to Australia just to obtain a pension and return overseas.NB
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Post by Denis-NFA on Apr 1, 2013 10:35:14 GMT 7
chrisnouya much better explanation of the 2 year boondoggle
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mobilemama
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i was reading on the centrelink or oap website and saw it said must wait 104 weeks for portability,
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Post by mobilemama on Nov 1, 2013 8:18:28 GMT 7
Ok I have almost run out of money to support myself, and now have no choice but to return to oz and lay myself on the generousity of the social service...ha ha.. my question is.... if they stick me on new start, which they highly likely will, am I able to still leave the country to holiday, my family have said they will buy me a ticket to come back to asia, but would I be allowed to , normally dole bludgers etc( to use the old term) were not permitted to travel outside oz. I know that if I get a pension DSP or OAP (both very unlikely) I can be out of the country 6 weeks, but new start means your are supposed to look for work (at 64 and with poor health not gonna find)the vision of volunteer work is being put forward..anyone know the answer to my query.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 11:34:43 GMT 7
You will have to wait maybe 6 weeks before they decide to pay Newstart. If you leave the counrty your Newsart will be canceled till you get back You will probably have to go into see them. Newstart is only for payment in Australia Only
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Post by Banjo on Nov 1, 2013 11:51:03 GMT 7
I can't envisage you having any work requirements placed upon you, get a letter from a doctor saying you are too sick to work, that should cover you.
Be interesting when you go on the Age pension, if you are on NewStart you have to be a resident and therefore not required to wait 2 years for portability. To be honest I'd hang about till you are 65, the inconvenience would be worth it if you scored immediate portability of the Age pension.
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mobilemama
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i was reading on the centrelink or oap website and saw it said must wait 104 weeks for portability,
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Post by mobilemama on Nov 3, 2013 9:39:48 GMT 7
Banjo that's why im going back now im 64 and will need to live in oz to get anything and am hoping I will go straight onto portable oap next dec. I figured its worth a try..dsp is so hard to get these days so I guess Newstart it will be.Hoping I can return with my pension asap,will keep you all posted on my efforts..
Really sucks when a person who only worked a few years in England , without even returning there in over 40 years can get a pension. something seriously wrong with Oz system..
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Post by aussieinusa on Dec 4, 2013 9:24:17 GMT 7
Really sucks when a person who only worked a few years in England , without even returning there in over 40 years can get a pension. something seriously wrong with Oz system.. Yes, this is one of the facts CL doesn't want the public to know: that even with the aforementioned Greeks who returned for five minutes to claim a pension and still get it... Australia is the net beneficiary of far more overseas pension money, than we send abroad. The current crackdown sets dangerous precedents, and the UK for one looks at the Aussie 'reforms' (e.g. work for the dole) and sees what happens... if the politicians here get away with it, a little while later there's 'workfare' in the UK, too. Chances are, in the long term, reducing pension portability is going to cost the Aussie govt major $$$$ and increase the burden of the 'aging population' etc. Because once other countries follow suit and crack down on retiring overseas, the ~5 million immigrants who've come to Australia over the last couple of decades will be wholly dependent on the Aussie pension when they retire, instead of bringing the overseas pension from their country of origin here. Not to mention that forcing Aussie pensioners to live in Aus actually costs MORE, since there's rent assistance, pension supplement, Medicare etc., all of which aren't paid when we're overseas... and in many cases, people moving family members to Australia when they're forced to return, who then also are eligible for benefits. This isn't actually about saving money, it's about creating a myth -- the disability-faker on indefinite luxury sex-tourism holiday in SE Asia at taxpayers' expense -- and then being seen to 'do something' about a 'problem' that was pretty much imaginary to begin with; at best a major distortion of the truth, at worst outright fabrication. But you can rely on Aussies earning $60K+ to be whipped into a jealous frenzy at the faintest hint that people at the bottom of the heap get anything at all, so it's politically popular to 'crack down' no matter what the actual facts of the matter are.
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