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Post by mick on May 18, 2013 15:46:23 GMT 7
I was wondering how many people on the DSP that dont have UP are flying back to Australia every six weeks. Doing this really sounds like a lot of hassle but I suppose for those that have set up lives and have partners over their then what else can they do? Also I wonder if some became homeless because the new rules forced them back to this country but they had no where to go when they got here. As stated by someone else on this forum it would be impossible to rent in Australia for this time. So I guess you have to live with friends or family for the time you are on Australian soil. And if you cant stay with them then at least say you have them here. The government just wants to be seen as tough on welfare recipients. It has nothing to do with saving the meager amount they claim they are saving. Many insular taxpayers think DSP receivers are just lazy shirkers that are living a glamorous lifestyle. Yeah bloody right. The reason there is so much crime in this country (well there is in Melbourne) is because there are poor people without a place to live so they resort to stealing or are plain angry at society so they rebel against it. As for the public housing system well you'l be waiting Ten or more years for one of those. So the few that do choose to live elsewhere for a better life should be left alone to do so in peace.
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Post by Banjo on May 18, 2013 16:30:45 GMT 7
When we started this forum we had been doing that for years, but it was 13 weeks back the so it wasn't so bad. Then Centrelink declared a lot of us non-residents because we were out of the country for so long and stopped our pensions but there was nothing in the law to support them so we won it back on appeal.
Now we have to wait and see what they will do with residency and the 6 week rule.
The crazy part is that guys with families overseas who were living on one single pension brought them back to Australia where they now all receive benefits plus the taxpayer has to pay for stuff like health and education.
Some savings eh?
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Post by Banker on May 18, 2013 17:35:43 GMT 7
When we started this forum we had been doing that for years, but it was 13 weeks back the so it wasn't so bad. Then Centrelink declared a lot of us non-residents because we were out of the country for so long and stopped our pensions but there was nothing in the law to support them so we won it back on appeal. Now we have to wait and see what they will do with residency and the 6 week rule. The crazy part is that guys with families overseas who were living on one single pension brought them back to Australia where they now all receive benefits plus the taxpayer has to pay for stuff like health and education. Some savings eh? When I first started going overseas with my pension we only had to come back once a year, it started to change in 2002.
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Post by mick on May 18, 2013 19:40:26 GMT 7
I was thinking of going over for six weeks then returning and then leaving again while I apply for this UP rubbish. Do you guys think this is to much effort and financially feasible?
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Post by mick on May 19, 2013 0:25:05 GMT 7
Well I have worked it out and it depends on the minimum amount CL will pay me for the six weeks then it's just a matter of deducting the return airfare their and back. Whatever is left over would be used to live for the six weeks. What is the cheapest return airfare their and back, could it be done consistently for $1000? Does anyone else do this?
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Post by Banjo on May 19, 2013 8:19:37 GMT 7
A grand return to Thailand is definitely do-able but fares are seasonal and you need to shop around. This is mainstream airlines like Qantas which often go up to 12-1300 in the peak season. (My experience is mainly ex-Adelaide).
A lot of guys here book budget airlines like Air Asia online and get prices well under a 1000 regularly but you need to know what you are doing.
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Post by anotherdsp on May 19, 2013 9:11:00 GMT 7
to mick ,i think it is doable but it depends on your lifestyle choices whilst o/s?? i am of a sober nature an live a quiet lifestyle whilst away from home(but it is better then when at home,i.e massages and acupuntcre an someone to do my domestic chores and a more nicer climate). so it is a yes it is doable from my point of veiw??
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Post by zorro1 on May 19, 2013 11:37:52 GMT 7
I was thinking of going over for six weeks then returning and then leaving again while I apply for this UP rubbish. Do you guys think this is to much effort and financially feasible? be careful they don't kick you off the DSP due to residency. I wouldn't put it past them and then your UP is stuffed. Im waiting for a decision on mine and not game to make another trip until its concluded
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Post by mick on May 19, 2013 12:16:31 GMT 7
Ok that's good advice. Zorro what happens if they dont give you UP? I know you will keep appealing but this will take more time, so will you just not go until they grant it to you? My plan is to try and make a case so watertight that they will find it hard to reject. Also would welfare rights help people get UP or would they not see that as an urgent matter?
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Post by zorro1 on May 19, 2013 13:27:40 GMT 7
Mick, Im currently travelling 6 weeks O/s and then 6 weeks and 1 day on the gold coast so technically I will be in Oz more however I have a room and mail taken care of and no rent while Im away.
of course Im out if I get UP, if I dont its 6x6weeks until appeal comes through..
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Post by anthonydsp on May 19, 2013 14:46:51 GMT 7
hey zorro when did u apply for up or when did u have your jca did your assessor tell you what they are going to assess u as i mean in points wise and work wise
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Post by zorro1 on May 19, 2013 16:40:53 GMT 7
Applied 8 weeks ago with a JCA. The assessor never mentioned anything about points, it was a rushed Qand A session, thats about it
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Post by mick on May 19, 2013 17:21:15 GMT 7
This is the exact issue I have with this UP application, they say it takes so long for them to get to your case and when they do they just gloss over it. I am only in my twenties but I was told that age wouldn't be a factor. What can actually be done to hold these assessors to account? I really felt like this assessor was having fun in stuffing me around, she even asked where I wanted to travel to with a big smile on her face. If I had known what she was going to write I would have smashed a chair in her face there and then. Zorro like yourself she also rushed through a few brief questions took a few half arse notes and then told me she would call my medicos if she needed further information. Well she never called one single one of them, did she. And believe me she needed more information! So what was actually done by this NURSE to glean more information? This assessment is what really counts when applying for the DSP or UP. But sometimes I feel like these people even before the interview have already formulated their opinions or been told by higher forces what they must do. Perhaps recording the interview would go someway in holding them to account because something needs to be done.
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Post by mick on May 19, 2013 22:58:42 GMT 7
Dont really know what you mean by that statement maxi maxi. But looking back it was a bit of a mind game on her part which I refused to take any part in. It really would have been good if she recorded when I disclosed that the pharmaceuticals I was on were the reason I was sedated and possibly more relaxed, perhaps too much so. But she obviously didn't feel that was pertinent. Anyway I dont need to put on a big show for those blockheads because I know my case is genuine and so do they. My question is how the hell can a nurse override a medical practitioner and specialists, this would not happen in any other setting. This might be a game on their side but to myself and most others trying to rightfully get UP it's anything but. I guess their is no limit to the amount of new evidence you can submit and the JCAs that must assess it. Or would I be better off going straight for an appeal? And does anyone think that legally recording them would be of benefit if later appealed, or don't they take what you say yourself as legit?
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Post by mick on May 20, 2013 3:00:50 GMT 7
No mate your actually making very little sense to me. They are not all psychologists and if they are their the ones that never made it in the private field.
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