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Post by peter on Feb 10, 2013 20:01:16 GMT 7
As I understand the 6 week rule, it does not matter which country one goes to all countries are grouped together as "overseas". So, New Zealand also has the limit of six weeks for DSP to be paid.
If one gets on to the question transferring permanently to NZ under the Social Security Agreement presently in existence between the two countries, that is a much more complicated situation.
And in my opinion the answer would be no since the Australian DSP is not transferable which is why the six weeks rule exists.
One could still go to NZ to reside permanently but one would then have to apply to their social security system for an Invalid Pension, and periods of Australian residence might count towards obtaining that NZ Invalid Pension, provided one was sufficiently invalid to qualify.
If one did obtain it, then the NZ rules of portability to the New Zealand Invalid Pension would apply.
All of that would be a very long road, applicable only to home sick invalid Kiwis.
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Post by takeo19 on Feb 11, 2013 11:30:34 GMT 7
Im curious to know NZs DSP portability rules now..? I know if you spend 2 years in NZ one can apply for social security there..
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Post by takeo19 on Feb 11, 2013 19:16:31 GMT 7
Well not sure about NZ portability but I found the Invaild Benefit payment rates:
Payments How much you get depends on your situation. Payments are weekly. If you already get income assistance you can usually switch to the Invalid’s Benefit as soon as you qualify. Otherwise you’ll usually get your first payment 2 to 3 weeks after you apply – it’ll depend on how long it takes to confirm your eligibility. You may have to wait longer if you have been working and: received holiday pay or another payment at the end of your job or are getting sick pay from your employer. You may qualify for other help, depending on your situation. Make sure you ask your case manager about the Community Services Card and family tax credit (if you have a dependent child or children). You may also be able to get other types of help through the health system, such as home support services or time off for caregivers. Please ask your doctor, local hospital or the Ministry of Health for details. If you are... Weekly payments (after tax) Single aged 16-17 years $207.32 Single aged 18 years or over $256.19 Married, civil union or de facto couple (each) $213.49 Sole parent $336.55 You may get less if you have other income. You may also be able to get family tax credit or extra allowances as well. Tax has been deducted at the M rate. Rates as at 1 April 2012
Only $518 nz a fortnight, I feel for our Kiwi cousins..
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Post by melnee on Feb 12, 2013 15:15:42 GMT 7
Hi I have already started a case against Australian government through the United Nations. The changes re portability & medical extension over (13 weeks in my current case). Are against the UN & Australian division declaration of Human Rights. There are a lot of sights. "The United Nations Declartaion Of Human Rights" www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml This is the clearest direct one I found. Relating to Australia I liked www.humanrights.gov.au/Human_Rights/UDHR/Australia_UDHR.htmlBoth have contact details & information on how to make a complaint & the process, from a quick read it looks like they respond very quickly (within 7 days to notify u they have received your complaint). you can call (1300), electronic contacts, & snail mail. I hope this helps. I have the pleaseure of informing centre link that I have made complaints about them directly to the U.N & to the Australian one also, this will be a happy moment for me but no doubt an ignorant moment for them, which will make me happier because they will make more mistakes because as we all know "centrelik staff are always right & update & fully informed conciensious staff. I am also happy to be 1 of the 500.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 12, 2013 16:36:58 GMT 7
One of our members prepared a case to the UNHRC as well Melnee. Haven't heard from him for a while but I can get in touch if you like. My take on the matter is that the complaint must go to the Australian HRC before the UN will accept it.
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Post by fedup on Mar 21, 2013 17:43:39 GMT 7
Hmmm
Sounds like the path I wish to follow Was thinking of a starvation protest somewhere
Then they would most likely lock me up
Sick of their S$&&t
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Post by fedup on Mar 24, 2013 1:41:35 GMT 7
Another sleepless night due to C/L IMMORAL DECISION to REJECT my U/P claim I would like to know from others,the following Why their U/P was Granted Why and on what grounds it wasn't Granted Myself it appears to be on the 2/8, 2/15 hr rule,something I still can't get my head around My take,on that is they ,with their unqualified opinion,especially medical opinion,and their,immoral guidelines,deem who they like not to be incapacitated,therefore making your claim null and void. Here ,I just found there bullshit assessment criteria,which is wrong in relation to 2yrs as it is now 5yrs in regard to continuing inability to work.they cant even get that right. guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-3/ssguide-3.6/ssguide-3.6.2/pc_13706.html
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Post by fedup on Mar 24, 2013 2:17:51 GMT 7
SO NOW I SEE WHAT IT IS IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE BULLSHIT ,IMMORAL,ASSESSMENT, DISREGARDS PAIN,THE STRESS ASSOCIATED WITH PAIN,THE LACK OF CONCENTRATION WHILST DEALING WITH PAIN,MEDICATIONS TAKEN TO DEAL WITH PAIN AND SIDE AFFECTS.ETC OVERIDES DOCTORS REPORTS,OR COMPLETLY IGNORES THEM AND WHO THE HELL WILL EMPLOY YOU TO WORK THOSE MINIMAL HOURS AND TO DO WHAT EXACTLY,AND WHO WILL INSURE YOU? ?? I have recently been paid out my superanuation on medical grounds,ie NO FUTURE WORK CAPACITY,two separate ones,and only minimal payouts may I add,as well as two TPD ,TOTAL PERMANANT DISABILITY payouts as well. SO THAT IS TWICE ,JUST THERE ,I HAD TO HOP ( can't jump) hoops and prove WITHOUT DOUBT AS TO MY INCAPACITY TO WORK. HAD TO DO THE SAME WITH PARASITES AT C/L, last year when I applied for DSP, was knocked back because the UNQUALIFIED ASSESSOR ,WHOSE ONLY CONCERN WAS TO GET ME BACK TO WORK,DO YOU BELIEVE THAT CRAP,ROUND AND ROUND SHE WENT LIKE A CIRCUS MERRYGOROUND ,ONE DIRECTION,KEPT TELLING HER YOU HAVE THE REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU READ IT,COMPLETLY IGNORED EVERYTHING,THIS ONE TRACK BIATCH. AND ALL SHE IS IS A CENTRELINK WORKER ,AS I HAVE SEEN HER doing The usual MENIAL tasks around C/l ,oh yes she reckons her qualifications are that she is an ex nurse,(DON'T YOU LOVE THE COMPASSION,BEDSIDE MANNER AND EMPATHY) and when I heard that I told her YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT . HENCE LIKE ALL ROBOTIC ,BOX TICKERS,X MARKS THE SPOT. AND A BIG X IT WAS,DSP DENIED WELL,UP YOURS CHARLIE,STRAIGHT IN WITH AN APPEAL,HAD ANOTHER ASSESSMENT WITH A ,AND GET THIS, A REAL HUMAN,VERY LOVELY LADY,WITH REAL EARS,asked her why I was knocked back,told me on the grounds that I could work the required hours,anyway this lady had empathy,listened intently and as I said to her the whole problem is the system, A SYSTEM FULL.OF ROBOTS ,WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE ON ABOUT,AND BLINDLY TICK BOXES,SO CALLED HUMANS WHO ARE TRAINED NOT TO THINK.and as she rightly said ,her hands are tied,and they have to be careful what they say,and much to her credit she said a lot ,without having to say anything much. Subsequently a week,or two later I was granted DSP AND BACK DATED TO WHEN I FIRST APPLIED SO YES,I WAS KNOCKED BACK THRU LIES AND DECEPTION,THE COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR THE FACTS,AND NOW DÉJÀ VU,IT HAPPENED AGAIN,AS THE SMARTASS ON THE PHONE SAID ,YOU ARE STILL ASSESSED AS BEEN ABLE TO WORK UP TO 15hrs P/w guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-3/ssguide-3.6/ssguide-3.6.2/pc_13706.htmlguidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-1/ssguide-1.1/ssguide-1.1.c/ssguide-1.1.c.330.html
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Post by fedup on Mar 24, 2013 2:24:07 GMT 7
May I add ,I am still on DSP,but regarded as been able to work.2/15 or 8 or whatever the hell it is,REGARDLESS OF DOCTORS REPORTS ,MEDICAL CONDITION ETC.
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Post by fedup on Mar 24, 2013 3:58:27 GMT 7
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Post by fedup on Mar 24, 2013 5:15:41 GMT 7
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Post by dinky on Mar 24, 2013 5:50:49 GMT 7
In legal terms Everything is subject to Appeal no matter what.
However if you defend yourself You then have grounds for an imediate Appeal (good one to have up your sleve incase due to unforseen circumstance's you ever have to go to court )
Front up to court with out legal representation Judge will ask if you want assistance (a lawyer)
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Post by fedup on Mar 24, 2013 12:12:16 GMT 7
As if we dont have enough troubles,fronting up at court ,hardly relish that thought
And any appeal should be INDEPENDANT of these ruthless clowns
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Post by ferdieguba on Dec 31, 2014 16:39:25 GMT 7
I wondered about the NZ question, has anybody got any answers how long we can go to NZ? Could only agree with Banjo that if we were in Europe we could cross borders with just our ID and the EU would jump up and down if one country tried to stop its pensioners from crossing borders. I have formed friendships and relationships O/S and usually only stay 5 or 6 weeks, trying to cut this back to 4 weeks with my illness means half of my trip is wasted recovering from my journey, leaves bugger all time before I have to pack again. This would mean my break and some social life is no longer economically viable, and if you stay longer than 4 weeks you lose your DSP and you need to reapply to C/L from scratch. No option of losing a week or two of income. I have one possibility, that is to be reassessed medically, which is about 6 months worth of appointments with doctors and an unknown outcome with the JCA. I am disgusted with the lack of empathy by the major political parties and will consider who I vote for, but I know they take care of themselves and not the people too sick to defend themselves.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 31, 2014 18:55:08 GMT 7
Interesting point from Siddhartha Horace about the cost of appeals, he had a good mind for that sort of thing. Hopefully they'll get a lot more than 500 out of the recent legislation changes.
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