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Post by Banjo on Oct 3, 2013 5:54:32 GMT 7
Abbott happy with current NZ welfare deal NEW Zealanders in Australia ineligible for welfare benefits look unlikely to receive fairer treatment anytime soon, with Prime Minister Tony Abbott saying he's very happy with the current situation. There are 300,000 New Zealanders on special category visas in Australia, paying billions of dollars in taxes but who are denied some key benefits of permanent residency, such as disability care, welfare and social housing. Australians living in New Zealand receive all the entitlements of citizens. The issue is a sore point for many Kiwis, and was the first and last question asked by the New Zealand press pack during Prime Minister John Key's first joint press conference with the recently-elected Mr Abbott in Canberra on Wednesday. While Mr Abbott said he was happy to keep talking to Mr Key about welfare arrangements, he didn't indicate much flexibility when questioned on the issue. "New Zealanders have better access to Australia than the citizens of any other country and that's right and proper," Mr Abbott said. "But I'm very happy with the situation that exists right now, which is that Kiwis coming here know that they're expected to work and pay taxes from day one." Mr Key said he would continue to advocate for New Zealanders. "There are some issues that would be best if they were addressed," he said. "(But) we totally respect the sovereign right of the Australian government to make the decision how it will treat people that come and work in Australia." www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/abbott-happy-with-current-nz-welfare-deal/story-e6frfku9-1226731774661
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Post by fedup on Oct 3, 2013 9:25:14 GMT 7
Turns the ANZAC SPIRIT into a MYTH
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Post by Banjo on Oct 3, 2013 9:44:19 GMT 7
It's bullshit, like some drive to close Australia off from the rest of the world, keep people in keep people out. You could say it's because the "balance of payments" favours NZ but they claim that locking up DSP recipients here is to keep money in Australia when foreign pensions bring in twice as much every year.
Penal colony mentality.
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Post by fedup on Oct 3, 2013 12:52:07 GMT 7
Such is life in gods country.lol.
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Post by sandycreekg on Oct 7, 2013 14:11:04 GMT 7
hello all here, once a person receives UP.........and then goes to their country of choice to live......what to do about some countries asking for a return itinery.......??.....I know Thailand does not worry about that too much......but each time I go to the Phillipines through Singapore the Cebu pacific check in counter to Cebu ask me for my return itinery which I have on me. Any advice would be appreciated
sandycreekg
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Post by anthonydsp on Oct 7, 2013 15:13:38 GMT 7
hi sandycreekg i just normally look for promo fares like to kuala lumpur or back to singapore or even hongkong just to show that i have a outward bound ticket but i never use it its just for immigration purposes or as you said the airline purpose i remember i was travelling jetstar to manila and i only had a oneway ticket and they wouldnt let me board the plane unless i bought a ticket out of manila to singapore before they let me board the plane at perth i personally think its a joke because you just dont know how long you will be overseas for
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Post by maca84 on Oct 7, 2013 16:02:42 GMT 7
all what they wanna see if you fly to PI is a paper print of a return ticket... i leave the rest to your imagination...
never had any problem with my copy...
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Post by latindancer on Oct 7, 2013 16:04:39 GMT 7
An intinerary can be printed off without actually buying a ticket. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, you can go to a travel agent and get one, but be indecisive and put them off about actually paying (after receiving their itinerary, of course). Once I made one by going through all the motions of buying a ticket online, except the absolute last step of payment. I then just printed the last page with the itinerary details. Another time, I was asked by a Thai embassy in a certain country to show an onward ticket. They wouldn't accept my explanation that I was leaving their country across a land border. I knew that many tickets are simply confirmation by email, so I CREATED one out of an old one I had in my email account. I printed it out and glued different words over certain words on the printed page....carefully, using tweezers. I was a bit nervous when submitting my visa application, but I knew they cannot check tickets. I got the visa, no problem. Just make sure the cut and paste job is a good one !
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Post by Banjo on Oct 7, 2013 17:29:00 GMT 7
The mainstream airlines hum and har about letting you on a Thailand flight unless you have a return ticket... (they know the difference between a quote itinerary and the real thing )... You can get around this by telling them you live there, easily done if your passport is full of Thailand stamps, or producing a multiple entry visa. I've never been asked about it at Thai immigration, in fact some land entry points have signs up saying you must be able to show 20,000 baht in cash but apart fro a few rumours I've not seen that enforced either.
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Post by sandycreekg on Oct 8, 2013 3:15:24 GMT 7
Thanks guys for the tips, yes they make sense, I am going back to Dumaguete for 6 weeks at the end of this month and going with tiger from Singapore so will see what they are like for asking for a return itinerary
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Post by chris on Oct 30, 2013 14:01:32 GMT 7
It's still a hazy area on the Social Security Agreement Countries (forgive me for what I might have missed, still being new here). As Banjo has stated we don't actually have anyone living in those countries, except NZ, I guess.
But I might like to visit my kids in the USA. Would there be any advantage to having an extended stay eg 16 weeks? Can I therefore get my 26 weeks extended if I notify CL, providing them with the documentary evidence they require.
Can I get 16 weeks + 26 weeks? Or doesn't it work like that?
Can I get my full pension plus supplements while in the USA? Or no change, 6 weeks only?
Also separate question. When returning to Australia for short stays of less than a week, are they gong to accept your application for Rent Assistance eg, staying with sister and she gives me the rent slips?
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Post by Banjo on Oct 30, 2013 14:35:43 GMT 7
Beats me, I don't know much at all about the agreement with the US, aussieinusa might have an idea.
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Post by chris on Oct 30, 2013 14:56:33 GMT 7
Sure. It's really hazy because you can be out of the country 26 weeks anyway.
However one slight advantage of a trip like that. Go to Oz, embark on a trip for 3-4 months, return. At least you can push back your next 26 week cycle.
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Post by terrybear on Nov 24, 2013 7:27:43 GMT 7
"Oct 7, 2013 18:11:04 GMT 11 sandycreekg said: hello all here, once a person receives UP.........and then goes to their country of choice to live......what to do about some countries asking for a return itinery.......??.....I know Thailand does not worry about that too much......but each time I go to the Phillipines through Singapore the Cebu pacific check in counter to Cebu ask me for my return itinery which I have on me. Any advice would be appreciated" Hi im new here Sandycreekg you are on unemployment benefits UP? I didn't know you can live in somewhere like Philippines on this benefit, is this right? I'm 55 and have long term diabetes (37 years) and recent heart problems, I would prefer spending several months in Philippines each year to stretch my UP further...
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Post by Banjo on Nov 24, 2013 8:24:05 GMT 7
NewStart is definitely a residency based benefit; you leave the country, you lose it and have to reapply on return.
If you want to apply for indefinite portability of the Disability Support Pension it would allow you to live somewhere like the Philippines. It would be hardly worth trying for just a few months overseas travel a year, I believe you would need to keep it under six months in any twelve month period though.
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