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Post by Banjo on Sept 20, 2013 7:27:03 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 8:34:35 GMT 7
Yes its based on the ignorant classist assumption that everyone on welfare cant manage their money and spends it all on booze, ciggies and the pokies. WHo do they class as 'vulnable' and have to go on income management DO you think ABbott could eventully extend the Basics card to everyone in Australia on Newstart and even then onto us on the DSP or would there be too much public outrage if he forced the disabled onto income management. It actually costs $4,500 per year to put someone on income management but they say theres not enough money to increase newstart from the current $250 third world poverty level, so it costs the government money, seems like the government wants to spend money just to punish and humiliate the unemployed and disadvantaged, just like work for the dole costs heaps of money and doesn't help people find work
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Post by Banjo on Sept 20, 2013 8:45:02 GMT 7
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Post by Banjo on Sept 20, 2013 9:01:08 GMT 7
We have a FaceBook page as well, it needs someone to take it over and hunt the Social Media for like minded groups. I'd like to see a "Stop DSP Reassessments" page set up and linked to us as well. That could be huge if properly managed, if the "StopIncomeManagementinPlayford" page raises 200 members in one electorate in South Australia imagine what something like that could be Australia wide.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 9:04:38 GMT 7
We have a FaceBook page as well, it needs someone to take it over and hunt the Social Media for like minded groups. I'd like to see a "Stop DSP Reassessments" page set up and linked to us as well. That could be huge if properly managed, if the "StopIncomeManagementinPlayford" page raises 200 members in one electorate in South Australia imagine what something like that could be Australia wide. Yes l guess if enough people don't protest they will just keep extending the basics card until every person on Newstart and the DSP is on it. The ' stop DSP Reassessments ' page sounds like l good idea but is mass reassessments a definite government policy or just something they are talking about doing?
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Post by Banjo on Sept 20, 2013 10:00:47 GMT 7
Just talk for now. Personally I think that they may wait and see how the tougher guidelines for the DSP effect numbers. That with the natural attrition onto the OAP may make the figures look good enough to satisfy their spin doctors. It's called moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Post by aussieinusa on Oct 8, 2013 11:14:58 GMT 7
We have a FaceBook page as well, it needs someone to take it over and hunt the Social Media for like minded groups. I'd like to see a "Stop DSP Reassessments" page set up and linked to us as well. That could be huge if properly managed, if the "StopIncomeManagementinPlayford" page raises 200 members in one electorate in South Australia imagine what something like that could be Australia wide. You're absolutely right that social media could be helpful in getting us in touch with far more of the people being effected by successive government's half-thought-out, politically motivated changes to DSP. It does have the potential to give us the numbers for the pollies to start taking notice, even. The issue is, Facebook don't allow anonymous accounts, so we'd all have to step out of the shadows and campaign under our real names. Personally, I'd rather not, and I think a lot of people here feel the same. If there are enough members who are willing to step up and become the 'faces' of the group on social media, we could definitely get something going; it's just a matter of whether we have enough people who want to. Volunteers... ??
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Post by Banjo on Oct 8, 2013 14:05:03 GMT 7
We have a couple of facebook pages, the main one under banjo dspoverseas and a group called dspoverseas. Anyone willing to run them can start now. We also have a twitter account, dspoverseas that could really be useful putting the message out. "All" that would be required is posting some of the better information and news items from here.
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Post by zorro1 on Oct 8, 2013 14:26:36 GMT 7
I really wish that card was around when my mother was alive. I actually created a card for her (credit card) so she could pay for all her food and petrol and meds because being a chronic gambler she was hitting me up for thousands however she maxed the credit card out within 24hrs in cash advances at Bankstown RSL club The thing is every one I ever knew on the DSP was a chronic drinker/gambler but thats just the crowd mum hung out with. Its a massive problem in Australia that is the only country in the world with every gambling code available in every pub/club and eftpos machines handy. I dont agree with everyone going on it though but there is a definite need for it and it has its place IMO but how do they screen who really needs it? thats the big problem.
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Post by newtodsp on Oct 10, 2013 12:47:56 GMT 7
We have a FaceBook page as well, it needs someone to take it over and hunt the Social Media for like minded groups. I'd like to see a "Stop DSP Reassessments" page set up and linked to us as well. That could be huge if properly managed, if the "StopIncomeManagementinPlayford" page raises 200 members in one electorate in South Australia imagine what something like that could be Australia wide. You're absolutely right that social media could be helpful in getting us in touch with far more of the people being effected by successive government's half-thought-out, politically motivated changes to DSP. It does have the potential to give us the numbers for the pollies to start taking notice, even. The issue is, Facebook don't allow anonymous accounts, so we'd all have to step out of the shadows and campaign under our real names. Personally, I'd rather not, and I think a lot of people here feel the same. If there are enough members who are willing to step up and become the 'faces' of the group on social media, we could definitely get something going; it's just a matter of whether we have enough people who want to. Volunteers... ?? I thinks social media is a great idea, and can't we set up a fake profile on Facebook so we can remain anonymous? Eg a fake email address and then hook it up with a fake name facebook account? There are a few facebook pages for disability advocacy 'we want change' springs to mind. However they aren't very well run. I can be involved if we can split the workload...I'm worried about making false promises as managing my health is a full time job..but I definitely see the merits in a 'stop the DSP reassessment' facebook page or twitter account..or something along those lines.
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Post by Banjo on Oct 10, 2013 13:45:17 GMT 7
email address is easy, they don't/can't check names and what's more don't care. You set up a group, it can be done as a spinoff of the DSPoverseas page if i remember correctly, then it automatically hooks up with other groups I've connected to like the anti-basics card crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 14:15:24 GMT 7
I really wish that card was around when my mother was alive. I actually created a card for her (credit card) so she could pay for all her food and petrol and meds because being a chronic gambler she was hitting me up for thousands however she maxed the credit card out within 24hrs in cash advances at Bankstown RSL club The thing is every one I ever knew on the DSP was a chronic drinker/gambler but thats just the crowd mum hung out with. Its a massive problem in Australia that is the only country in the world with every gambling code available in every pub/club and eftpos machines handy. I dont agree with everyone going on it though but there is a definite need for it and it has its place IMO but how do they screen who really needs it? thats the big problem. l think the basics card is OK for those that volunteer for it or compulsory for those who have a really serious alcohol/gambling problem but l'm worried the government could end up extending it compulsory to everyone on newstart maybe even one day people on the DSP based on the assumption people on welfare are like children who are not responsible with taxpayers money.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Oct 10, 2013 16:04:41 GMT 7
l think the basics card is OK for those that volunteer for it or compulsory for those who have a really serious alcohol/gambling problem but l'm worried the government could end up extending it compulsory to everyone on newstart maybe even one day people on the DSP based on the assumption people on welfare are like children who are not responsible with taxpayers money. I think any government will have to be very careful about extending income management for a couple of reasons... 1. If you are on Newstart and are unable to manage your affairs then you must be getting close to being eligible for DSP; and 2. If they talk of introducing income management to 'regular' DSPension folk then the OAPension people are going to start getting nervous!
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Post by Banjo on Oct 10, 2013 16:29:44 GMT 7
I could hack it if they took the card at Robinsons and Big C.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 16:32:19 GMT 7
l think the basics card is OK for those that volunteer for it or compulsory for those who have a really serious alcohol/gambling problem but l'm worried the government could end up extending it compulsory to everyone on newstart maybe even one day people on the DSP based on the assumption people on welfare are like children who are not responsible with taxpayers money. I think any government will have to be very careful about extending income management for a couple of reasons... 1. If you are on Newstart and are unable to manage your affairs then you must be getting close to being eligible for DSP; and 2. If they talk of introducing income management to 'regular' DSPension folk then the OAPension people are going to start getting nervous! The basics cards can only be spent at COles and Woolworths, l bet the CEO's of those companies are lobbying the government to extend the basics card to everyone on Newstart. That would mean almost 1 million captive customers. l don't think we on the DSP need to worry about it as long as we don't ever get kicked onto newstart.
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