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Post by zingzingzing on Dec 21, 2013 20:37:39 GMT 7
www.theaustralian.com.au/news/major-overhaul-for-our-disability-support-pension-scheme-to-crack-down-on-cheats/story-e6frg6n6-1226788092542The second option was ensuring that younger workers aged under 40 were subjected to more regular reviews to check if they are capable of working part-time. Mr Andrews said he wanted to focus on ability, not disability. "The best form of welfare is work, if that's possible,'' he said. "We're looking at whether or not there should be a category of what I might call temporary incapacity, rather than permanent incapacity. "Temporary might mean you are on it for a limited period and then it's properly reassessed. Then I think you need to do more frequent reviews depending on the age and the capacity of the person." The DSP payments offer significantly more cash than the $500-a-fortnight unemployment benefit, another incentive for people to convince doctors they are too sick to work. Mr Andrews said that one third of DSP recipients now argued they could not work based on psychological problems, including depression. This was the largest single group of people on the DSP, overtaking people with skeletal problems, including bad backs. "If people have got some sort of psychological condition, is that a condition that necessarily incapacitates them from permanently working? They may be able to work,'' Mr Andrews said. Mission Australia's Toby Hall has argued that the majority of people with significant mental health problems could return to work with the right help. Mr Andrews also conceded he simply did not have the resources to constantly review the 822,000 people currently on DSP benefits. "As much as anything, it's a cost issue," he said. " It costs money to review people and if you've got 800,000 people, to be frank, there's no way we could review all of the 800,000 people. "If somebody is in their 20s on the DSP I think there is a case to be made out for more regular reviews. "If someone is in their 60s on the DSP then that's different because the prospect of that person getting a job are less.'' Mr Andrews said the ageing population would put new pressures on the system. "The big challenge that Australia has got is how do you maintain a welfare system that is actually sustainable, so that you avoid going into the situation that many of the European nations now find themselves in," he said. ------- Younger people are going to get shafted for 'regular reviews'. You note that this has nothing to do with welfare cheats, but they are disguising it as welfare cheats. This is Age Discrimination.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 21, 2013 21:00:20 GMT 7
The very title of this welfare hating piece assumes that a large number of people on the DSP who were put on it by previous Centrelink assessments are cheats because they may not meet the new criteria.
The current legislation already clearly states that only a permanent disability entitles someone to the DSP so the Minister is poorly informed as well. How can permanent disabilities be downgraded to temporary? What drivel.
Older recipients appealing bad portability decisions may take note that the government admits that they have less chance of finding work.
Once again we return to the dark ages where mental illness is not considered a disability. No doubt people with depression will be told to man (or woman) up and find a job.
Be interesting to see what happens when one of these clowns realises that their unemployment figures are going to look terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 5:42:13 GMT 7
The very title of this welfare hating piece assumes that a large number of people on the DSP who were put on it by previous Centrelink assessments are cheats because they may not meet the new criteria. The current legislation already clearly states that only a permanent disability entitles someone to the DSP so the Minister is poorly informed as well. How can permanent disabilities be downgraded to temporary? What drivel. Older recipients appealing bad portability decisions may take note that the government admits that they have less chance of finding work. Once again we return to the dark ages where mental illness is not considered a disability. No doubt people with depression will be told to man (or woman) up and find a job. Be interesting to see what happens when one of these clowns realises that their unemployment figures are going to look terrible. " Crackdown on cheats" who the hell are the bastards calling cheats Theres already a big increase in unemployemt so where will new jobs for the disabled come from, Mission Australia says a majority of people with mental illness are able to work if given the right support , l wonder if the fact that mission Australia runs a jobnetwork and will make big dollars if it gets new clients has anything to do with that? WHat happenes to people under 40, will they have to do a review every year, l know someone on the DSP who turns 40 in August next year, do you think he might turn 40 in time to escape the changes or not?
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Post by Banjo on Dec 22, 2013 7:19:39 GMT 7
It would be almost funny if you recall that a lot of people on the DSP were put on it to make the unemployment figures look better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 8:16:41 GMT 7
So what do you think happens to the under 40's. will they get reviewed every year or 2 years or what? will they have to pass those new tough 2011 medical tables? From the article does it seem people already on the DSP aged 40 and over have nothing to worry about, will they be left alone
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Post by Banjo on Dec 22, 2013 8:31:18 GMT 7
Frugle, I honestly have no idea, I gave up trying to second guess politicians years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 8:37:32 GMT 7
Who know what the future will be
With Ford and Holden , plus all the component manufactures closing. I dont think we will going into the future with much hope for anything.
Who knows what the Govt will do. Unfortunately they say one thing then change it the next day.
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Post by tablet on Dec 22, 2013 9:05:08 GMT 7
At least they have admitted they can't review the whole 800,000 people. So they use their computers, [well there aren't that many staff left there to do it], to keep a track on what everyone is doing, with the cross matching with all other Govt Department's. They would have a program designed to pick up on the slightest anomolies in your life, like buying 2 litres of milk instaed of 1 litre on your Woolies member card, and that would trigger a review. I know Woolies isn't a Govt depart, but you have heard of the NSA Prism haven't you. Other triggers are applying for UP, too many trips overseas a year, telling them you have started a part time job, started or left a relationship, so on. I am only guessing all this. Here is a link on their site, but it doesn't give any information. guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-6/ssguide-6.5.html1960
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 9:20:17 GMT 7
At least they have admitted they can't review the whole 800,000 people. So they use their computers, [well there aren't that many staff left there to do it], to keep a track on what everyone is doing, with the cross matching with all other Govt Department's. They would have a program designed to pick up on the slightest anomolies in your life, like buying 2 litres of milk instaed of 1 litre on your Woolies member card, and that would trigger a review. I know Woolies isn't a Govt depart, but you have heard of the NSA Prism haven't you. Other triggers are applying for UP, too many trips overseas a year, telling them you have started a part time job, started or left a relationship, so on. I am only guessing all this. Here is a link on their site, but it doesn't give any information. guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-6/ssguide-6.5.html1960 From the article it sounds like those under 40 will have to do a regular review rather then something triggering a review. l guess if its under the 2011 medical tables quite a few could lose their DSP. l'm over 40 but know someone under 40 on the DSP so l hope they are Ok
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 14:04:32 GMT 7
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Post by prodius on Dec 22, 2013 18:26:17 GMT 7
I have two permanent disabilities and I’m under 40. I’ve been looking for some part time work for a while now, and I have had a couple of jobs that I didn’t last very long in. I’ve have come to the conclusion that employers want someone a lot more capable in our current environment. My Dr and clinical psychologist say I should be exempt from any sort of review as my disabilities are permanent but now I read Tony Abbott wants to bring in regular reviews?
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Post by Banjo on Dec 22, 2013 18:48:25 GMT 7
FINANCE Minister Mathias Cormann has confirmed the government is reviewing the Disability Support Pension to ensure any person capable of working returns to employment.
News Limited Sunday papers have reported the Disability Support Pension scheme is facing a significant overhaul, with the Abbott government contemplating a two-tiered system that would limit new entrants to temporary payments if their disability was not permanent, and subject workers under 40 to more regular reviews to determine whether they are capable or part-time employment. Speaking on Sky News' Australian Agenda this morning, Senator Cormann said the Disability Support Pension was "one of the fast growing areas of government expenditure." It is understood almost one in 20 Australians of working age are on the pension, which provides support of up to $800 a fortnight. "The objective of course, is to ensure that those in genuine need receive the appropriate levels of support, but that people who are able to work are encouraged to go back to work," Senator Cormann said. He also confirmed the Coalition's Commission of Audit was also probing the scheme, which left unchecked, could see one million Australians a year receive the benefit without the requirement to look for work. "These are the sorts of discussions that we are having at the moment and of course the Commission of Audit is looking at this whole area for us as well and is expected to make some recommendations to us on how that can best be achieved by the end of January," he said, "We think there is an opportunity here for a win/win." "Obviously only those people who genuinely need disability service pension support should be getting it, and our view is that anyone who can work should work, and of course the disability service pension arrangements should facilitate that," he said. Labor's parliamentary secretary Ed Husic defended the scheme, saying people often had to jump through hoops to qualify for the benefit. "As a local member I get more complaints about people being able to get onto DSP," he told Australian Agenda. Mr Husic said the government should always looks to ensure that people who had difficulty gaining income through employment because of a disability were protected without being demonised. He criticised the form of the government's announcement. "There is no framework, no consistency, no detail, from (Social Services Minister) Kevin Andrews today," he said. "It is unclear whether or not they will basically be forcing all new people to go through regular tests, or the people who have jumped through hoops to get DSP to be able to retain it." www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/mathias-cormann-says-disability-pension-under-review/story-fn59niix-1226788284281
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Post by dinky on Dec 22, 2013 20:49:09 GMT 7
They announce these things just before Xmas to get everyone talking about it and how the said tax payer is being ripped of Bla Bla Bla.
Rather than say bring the Public's attention to more serious matters give them something simple to think about like the Plastic bag story (when this country exports $1 Billion worth of coal a week to India and China)
The drum is all the Chinese are coming here buying up anything (with borrowed money from Chinese banks = 1 % interest.(how long before Australian's get there loans straight from Chinese banks ?)
And now the Big 4 banks here are missing out so the solution is flood the country with money give people house loans who should not have them to fire the building industry up (as banks can wear the 10 % default on loans )
And as opposed to America where if you can not afford the house you send the keys back to the bank In Australia have a house repossessed and you will never get another house loan in your life.
Back in ancient roman times there 90 % slaves and 10 % masters so nothing has changed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 2:16:28 GMT 7
The article calls people on DSP " cheats" l guess they know we cant afford to sue them for defamation, why don't they call all the bloody bankers and miners and wealthy individuals that are real cheats who use fancy lawyers and accountants to advoid paying their fair share of tax on all their billions of profits back to the Australian community.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 9:52:15 GMT 7
Its always the same. Putting thing out to hide other announcements that they sneak out Always when in Government recess. Same as the Whale debacle Promised a Customs Boat. Now just a Plane fly over. Broken promises Bet they will be due for a pay rise soon.
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