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Post by blacktulipvampire on Jun 11, 2014 12:16:58 GMT 7
Does that mean you do not know why your payments were reduced during the 1st 26 weeks ?
Also, are you quite happy to now be considered a non resident of Aust. for Centrelink purposes ?
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Post by fedup on Jun 11, 2014 17:10:03 GMT 7
I know all of the Above,
The purpose of this whole exercise is to show how enept and out of touch some of these clowns are,yes clowns,in a three ringed government circus.
If you expect people to abide by "rules" then at least understand them,which they seem to choose selectively ,and I say rules loosely,their ambiguous laws and legislation baffle even the so called intellects in society, so much so ,seasoned lawyers won't have a bar of centrelink,lest they end up in some nut house
INDEFINITE in my mind and in my book means EXACTLY that,NO IFS BUTS OR MAYBES ABOUT IT,you MAY go to the toilet,you MAY NOT go to the toilet,you MAY be excused,you MAY NOT be excused,fed up with their garbage.
They expect us to be truthful and specific,LIKEWISE
Tell me point blank I am not being paid via mutual agreement,and argue the toss, to boot,when in fact I was,,Tell me point blank I am not being paid a reduced pension,when I am,
MAKING OUT I AM SOME CLOWN OR UNEDUCATED MORON,WHEN IT'S THEM,THOSE MORONS THAT NEED NOT ONLY AN ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT,BUT NEED TO GET THEIR FACTS CORRECT BEFORE RATTLING MY CHAIN
YES FEDUP THAT'S ME FED UP WITH ALL THEIR BULLDUST
Do the right thing ,tell them the truth,get called a liar,no Apologies,zippo,nought,and still they carry on,ok sir we will pay you under the mutual agreement at a reduced level.HELLO HELLO,like I said I risked losing DSP altogether, by going through another assessment to get portabilty under the bilateral agreement,which by the way was the fourth assessment in total in just over a year.And am getting paid at the reduced level anyway.
Time to see a shrink after dealing with this lot.I kid you not
And the resident thing,hmmm PFFFF
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Post by blacktulipvampire on Jun 11, 2014 18:41:17 GMT 7
Re your letter and NZ agreement. So, you "know all of that". Nice to know. Why then did you post previously :-
"Hmmmm I need someone to interpret this most recent letter" ?
You now say, the point of the exercise was simply to show how inept C/L are. What in that letter shows them to be inept ? Other than the residence issue, which you PFFFF at.
I made the comment because you made a point of saying you had your residency confirmed on the phone.
I thought it was important to maintain residence here for a couple of reasons.
1) ... so you wouldnt be paid the outside rate straight away B4 the end of 26 weeks, as I believed it would be considerably less. ( I now think I may be mistaken on that )
2) It is my understanding that you can only be paid under an international agreement if you are an Aust resident or a resident of the agreement country.
If they now deem you to be a non resident, they must assume you intend to take up permanent residence in NZ.
If this is not the case, where does that leave you ? Esp if you intend to spend a lot of time outside both countries ?
RE RATE of Payment.
In my previous post, I said :-
"Seems it is from age 20 , not 16. Is only for the period until severe disability occurred. Is then calculated as a percentage of 540 months (45 years) and applied to the DSP rate."
I got confused. The 540 months (ie 45 years from age 20) related to the calc of Age Pension under the agreement.
The Calculation of Aust DSP seems to be only adjusted by periods of residence in NZ between the relevant ages.
So, is that why your pension was reduced ? And if so, why was it reduced B4 26 weeks ?
Also, am I correct in my understanding that in order to be paid under the Agreement, a person needs to have had at least 1 years residence in NZ ?
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Post by fedup on Jun 11, 2014 19:34:43 GMT 7
If you read from the first posting,the conversation,you should understand
All I did was to,inform.them I was back,all be it for a short time,,
Long and short of it
Then they start with the no your not attitude,yes inept,In regards the telephone conversation where all this started from,the letter was the last part of this whole scenario
Starting with the phone call,ie,doing the right thing,
What they tell,you on the ph and the realities can be two different things
I can't talk,to these people without wanting to knock there lights out,the least time,I,talk,to them the better,
Residency status in regards NZ basically is neither here nor there in relation to bilateral agreement as I see it? And yes to no 2 on both counts,whilst here basically getting the full benefit,
Under the agreement one can go to a third country up to 26 weeks
From NZ not from Australia work that one out,and in one country you are deemed severely disabled another not so,and the only difference is about 6 hrs
Interpret,well read what it says as opposed to previous letters?interept ,opinion, whatever,
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Post by fedup on Jul 6, 2014 5:07:35 GMT 7
Have just got back from australia
See other posts under fun and games the centrelink way
Have two letters dated 5 June
One letter states DSP may be paid indefinitely whilst outside Australia
The other is to confirm as of 29 June 2014 you are considered to be a New Zealand Resident
Payment can be paid by virtue of said agreement
As per current laws can be paid whilst in a third country
Just checked online and my Base Dsp pension has been cut by just over $100 as at July 11 to $686.10
June 27. $ 842.80
June 13 $823.20
May 30 -April 04 $787.90 Jan - march 21 $$773.20
Jan - may 30 payments inside NZ
June 13-27 inside Australia
July 11 inside NZ
Emailed asking for an explanation,as trying to contact them any other way is near impossible.
To whom it may concern
Trying to contact you people from overseas by phone is nigh impossible
My NZ
MOBILE NUMBER
Please explain to me the $100 plus drop in payment,as at July 11 2014
My AWLR IS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT IS REQUIRED
And I do not see why this amount is to be deducted
And as this current government see's fit to DEMONISE us DSP pensioners as rorters etc
Please explain to the general public how the Government DOES NOT SAVE MONEY,if the above deduction is indeed valid.
It is common courtesy to inform people of any changes in payments and should be a requirement by law
Your department expects us to inform you of any changes,yet there seems no requirement from your side
Awaiting your response,within a reasonable time frame
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Post by fedup on Jul 13, 2014 23:24:59 GMT 7
Next payment$625.48 basic rate July 25 Still no reply from emails
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Post by fedup on Jul 15, 2014 0:44:45 GMT 7
Now this is why I want to know what the hell is going on
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Tuesday 1 July 2014
The rules on how much you can be paid while living or travelling outside Australia changed from 1 July 2014.
The changes apply if you are travelling outside Australia for more than 26 weeks, or are paid under the terms of an International Social Security agreement.
To continue receiving your full rate of Australian pension you will generally need to have spent 35 years of your working life in Australia. This is an increase from the current requirement to have 25 years of Australian working life residence.
Australian working life residence is the period of time you have lived in Australia between the age of 16 and age pension age. You do not need to have worked or paid tax during this period. You just need to have been an Australian resident for a period of 35 years between the age of 16 and age pension age.
If you have less than 35 years Australian working life residence your rate of payment will be reduced. For example, if you have 27 years Australian working life residence, you will get 27/35ths or 77% of the maximum means-tested rate of payment.
If you leave Australia on or after 1 July 2014 and receive any of the following payments you may be affected by this change.
Age Pension Disability Support Pension in limited circumstances Wife Pension Widow B Pension If you were outside Australia on 1 July 2014 and receiving an affected payment you can continue to receive your payment under the rules which applied when you left, unless you return and stay in Australia for 26 weeks or more.
If you are receiving a payment under the international agreement between Australia and Greece or Australia and New Zealand the increase to 35 years will not apply to you.
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Post by fedup on Jul 25, 2014 14:31:50 GMT 7
To continue receiving your full rate of Australian pension you will generally need to have spent 35 years of your working life in Australia. This is an increase from the current requirement to have 25 years of Australian working life residence.
If you are receiving a payment under the international agreement between Australia and Greece or Australia and New Zealand the increase to 35 years will not apply to you.
Once again still have ont had a response
So From. $766 base DSP TO $625 base DSP
AND NO EXPLANATION
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Post by mikey on Jul 26, 2014 10:05:24 GMT 7
Hi Fedup, I found this brochure regards the Australia/New Zealand agreement. I'm not 100% sure if it's been updated, but it has a section on what you will be paid. Seems you can top up your Aussie DSP with NZ pension if it's reduced(which i realise in NZ has now changed from the "invalid pension" to "supported living payment") I'm going to guess, and this is only a guess. The Centrelink Computer System has decided that you have crossed the 26 week threshold,(in NZ from Dec) so are now being paid at a reduced rate as a NZ resident. The agreement allows you to receive a part pension from both countries, so they assume you will apply in both if, one pension comes up short. This is only a guess, but Computers only react to what has been input, and from your early discussions with Centrelink, a fair amount of misinformation has been entered by Centrelink. Social Security Agreement
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Post by fedup on Jul 27, 2014 0:47:10 GMT 7
Thanks Mickey, I was told by c/ l that NZ MAY top up,I saw winzs last week and they said they dont top up ,and tried to get me so sign up for the NZ pension at $561 NZ or something like that Per F/n
Are these clowns for real
And this criminal government says we don't save them money by being overseas
$846- $648 = $198 savings to them,and readjustment to living conditions for people in the same position as myself
And still no explanation why
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