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Sept 23, 2014 17:12:59 GMT 7
Post by jimmy55x on Sept 23, 2014 17:12:59 GMT 7
May I ask all you very informed people. If in deed I get what I deserve. Can I take it with me over seas? For DSP? Many thanks
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Sept 29, 2014 22:22:41 GMT 7
Post by highlander4000 on Sept 29, 2014 22:22:41 GMT 7
Hey jimmy, i cant remember anything right now, but i do rmemeber something about having to have either a clinical psychologist or a psychiatrist for your diagnosis if you are going the mental health route. Its dodgy i know, but its some new rule, they dont like normal psychologists, has to be clinical. atleast look into it, i cant remember where i read it, i just remember thinking that not everyone with a mental illness get sent to the mental health ward where the clinical psychologists are, and there are psychiatrists there too, but if you wanted to go the private psychiatrist way, you have to pay like $300 per hour, i went there for one session and she asked how i was going to pay, and i said "pay?", so she sent me to a community kind of psych short term place, "acute" short term place, so i remember there was some psychologists there or maybe psychiatrists, then i cant remember, i think, yeah then i got sent to the mental health hospital at the biggest hospital for my city. but i was and still am an outpatient, voluntary, i have a case manager who is a psychologist, she and her firends had to come to my hous ea few times, also i have to see the psychiatrist every 4 weeks to work out what to do with my medication, too tired, i have to go to bed, talk later.
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Oct 2, 2014 9:31:43 GMT 7
Post by jimmy55x on Oct 2, 2014 9:31:43 GMT 7
Hay highlander, Thanks for the reply. Yes you are right, them bastards at centrelink want you to be diagnosed from a clinical psychologist.[the expensive one] Then be treated by a psychiatrist, it doesn't matter if your doctor diagnosed you and you are being treated from him. So hence you have to be diagnosed treated and stabilised. I have just has a small win against them. As when I was in Thailand I was hospitalised for a panic attack and was treated by a psychologist so they had to except his diagnosis. And so now I only at worst have to wait 6 months to clear the 18 month treatment. That's if I lose my appeals. Will let you all know
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Oct 7, 2014 8:27:55 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 8:27:55 GMT 7
Have read these posts regarding our member and another sad story. From my observations and my own recent appeal experience, CL are just stonewalling on everything and rejecting all claims. This of course will jam up the appeal system but I doubt they are worried by that. In Jimmy's case if he has 20 points already allocated for one injury, as advised by Banjo elsewhere in the posts, he should moved to SSAT and AAT as reccommended. But of course this takes time, in my case 18 months from go to finish. That does not help him in the short term. I would think he should present all these additional letters to CL now to try and upscale his disability on the 'chart' that magically knows everything! One point not mentioned here is that it is one thing for his medical professionals so say 20 points, but it is getting CL to accept their opinions that is the difficult part - which is why they are playing hard ball.
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Post by jimmy55x on Oct 9, 2014 10:37:23 GMT 7
I just sent this letter to the tv show A current affair.
I am a 44 year old male living in Queensland. And I believe for the interests of around 50,000 Australians you need to get this story out in the open. This story has two parts to it, but they intertwine. I have been on medical certificates for about 3 years with centrelink. Untill about 18 months ago then they said I would need to apply for the disability support pension [DSP] Well that's fine got all my doctors to sign my applications. It was denied as they have this clever little clause witch states diagnosed treated and stabilised. Even though I have been treated for years by my G.P So I went through all the appeal process to finally be told it was pointless proceeding. So I started a new application for DSP thinking that with the last year I have been to my GP and psychiatrist and that should count. Well another 6 months went by and yes I have the required 20 points under their table for DSP. Great all good BUT they will only give it to me after another year as I have not been treated and stabilised. This is happening to thousands of Genuine sick and or psychiatric patient's across Australia. The government has sent the word give the DSP to know one. Now I know I have had a broken spine and depression for many years and I will eventually get the DSP, but my thoughts are for the people who are not capable of sticking up for themselves and there for are not getting help. Now part two of all this of about 50,000 people on DSP who wish to spend there majority of there time over seas are being punished. You see the government is passing rules to eliminate the 13 weeks at any one time overseas to just 6 weeks in ANY one year period. And as of January 1 2015 it will be just 4 weeks. This is in humane as many many Australians have children and wife's overseas. So these people get to see there children 4 weeks in any year is just not fair. Essentially trapping people in there own country. While the politicians get there early pensions of many thousands and can go where they want when they want. Also many of us go overseas just to be able to live a better life. It is sad that many people will go without some basic things in Australia because it is just to expensive to live on $400 a week here. Please I implore your tv show to take a stand on these matters as they are far more reaching and far worse than is reported.
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Oct 9, 2014 12:09:36 GMT 7
Post by blahblahblah on Oct 9, 2014 12:09:36 GMT 7
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Oct 9, 2014 13:48:26 GMT 7
Post by jimmy55x on Oct 9, 2014 13:48:26 GMT 7
Yes blahblahblah,
I am still working it all out my self. But I think because it is 10 points in each table that I have to be in a program of support.But here it states. Social Security (Requirements and Guidelines – Active Participation for Disability Support Pension) Determination 2011 Part 2 section 6 [d] Says...(d) any period of non-participation in the program including exemptions. Well I was exempt, as I had medical certificates So this is what I will use. Thanks for all the reply's everyone
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Post by Banjo on Oct 9, 2014 14:31:28 GMT 7
Be careful dealing with the corporate media Jimmy, they say what they think the majority of their viewers/readers want to see and hear and the DSP is under heavy attack at the moment.
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Oct 9, 2014 15:29:16 GMT 7
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 15:29:16 GMT 7
HI Jimmy, Just want to ad my support to what Banjo is saying. We are not the 'flavour of the month' I can assure you. Both pollies and the public are under constant media bombardment suggesting we are all ' bludgers'. Whilst that is most certainly not the case, it is most definately the perception of the general public.
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Oct 9, 2014 16:26:07 GMT 7
Post by jimmy55x on Oct 9, 2014 16:26:07 GMT 7
I will for sure take all that on board. I know we are not bludgers. But I will be heard at some point. Thanks everyone
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Post by nomadic on Oct 9, 2014 18:57:00 GMT 7
Banjo is spot on with ACA. I sent a similar letter to them years ago and their response was simply "NOT INTERESTED" they only want ratings which they get from exposing one single rorter out of one million disabled. They are just as evil as the politicians they support. I am happy to be proven wrong but the chances of that are miniscule. Good luck with it though. Nomadic.
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Oct 10, 2014 7:47:23 GMT 7
Post by Banjo on Oct 10, 2014 7:47:23 GMT 7
We have a member who probably had the worst deal off of Centrelink that I've heard of. Unfortunately by the time she found the forum it was a done deal and there wasn't much we could do to help her. We discussed going to the media as there were a number of public interest issues in her case but in the end I think she decided to wait them out for the age pension.
I still wonder how it would have gone but respected her decision even though I suspect things could not have got much worse.
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Oct 10, 2014 9:33:28 GMT 7
Post by fedup on Oct 10, 2014 9:33:28 GMT 7
ACA,DON'T Hold your breath for a positive outcome Jimmy55x
They work for the other side
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 10:16:51 GMT 7
Banjo is spot on with ACA. I sent a similar letter to them years ago and their response was simply "NOT INTERESTED" they only want ratings which they get from exposing one single rorter out of one million disabled. They are just as evil as the politicians they support. I am happy to be proven wrong but the chances of that are miniscule. Good luck with it though. Nomadic. Yes ACA supports Abbott and big business who want to slash welfare spending, they are only interested in so called' dole bludger' stories about unemployed people surfing on the gold coast or hidden cameras catching a DSP lifting boxes when he claimed a bad back. They couldn't give a stuff about helping a genuine disabled person they probably wouldn't see any ratings in it anyway, their type of viewers wouldn't be interested in an intelligent story . Most of the people who go on camera saying they are surfing all day on the dole are probably paid by ACA to say it or hired actors or they edited around the persons words. For example if they say on camera "l surf all week but work on the weekends " they would edit out the part about working on the weekends. The shows only interested in reinforcing false negative sterotypes for ratings, their viewers don't want their prejudices to be challenged with stories about genuine welfare reciptiants
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Oct 10, 2014 16:26:13 GMT 7
Post by seth on Oct 10, 2014 16:26:13 GMT 7
ACA, Oh brother, youve got no hope.
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