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Post by simba on Nov 24, 2018 10:57:19 GMT 7
My guess, Immadvice, in relation to UP status is five years because this is the number of years which is usually stated that the applicant will remain with a continuing incapacity to work for five years. In my circles I have no one who has been granted UP to find out. I tried in vain to contact a couple of guys (Jason Sauer ([2017] AATA 300) and Jason Stojanovski ([2014] AATA 466)) who were granted UP because of their involvement in sports and voice over business which meant they traveled regularly overseas for longer periods of more then the prescribed portability period of 4 weeks. Chears Simba
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 12:29:37 GMT 7
My guess, Immadvice, in relation to UP status is five years because this is the number of years which is usually stated that the applicant will remain with a continuing incapacity to work for five years. In my circles I have no one who has been granted UP to find out. I tried in vain to contact a couple of guys (Jason Sauer ([2017] AATA 300) and Jason Stojanovski ([2014] AATA 466)) who were granted UP because of their involvement in sports and voice over business which meant they traveled regularly overseas for longer periods of more then the prescribed portability period of 4 weeks. Chears Simba simba when it comes to Paralympians and their entourage, most don't have UP; just receive special dispensation on Humanitarian grounds. www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016L00540/Explanatory%20Statement/TextI'm 99.9% certain we have members with UP who have been away more than five years without having had to go through a review. Happy to be proven wrong though. Where anyone on DSP UP come unstuck is if rather than continuing on with DSP, they choose to come to Australia for their Aged Pension, which will incur a two year travel ban, because of their extended time away. guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/7/1/4Conversely, a DSP pensioner in Australia, who chooses to remain on DSP, rather than transfer to OAP is not entitled to UP like other aged pensioners, but remains constrained to the 28 day rule. Both issues need changing! It's like the government having their cake and eating it too; though I believe at least one of these issues have been raised behind the scene here; with Senator Siewert. The only parliamentarian with a modicum of common sense when it comes to welfare. Cheers bear
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Post by anthonydsp on Nov 24, 2018 15:08:38 GMT 7
Its true international services told me if i was staying in auatralia for 6 months or more they would review my unlimited portability and it would likley be cancelled that was when i got granted unlimited portability in 2013
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Post by pady on Nov 25, 2018 2:23:13 GMT 7
I would ignore it unless somebody goes back for a year and then tries to leave with UP
The front line of centerlink plebs all have their own opinion of what the rules are
I got roasted by a CL cow when I was enquiring about a pension card on a short trip back to oz. She made a huge deal of me not reporting my last exit and I kept trying to tell her I'm UP and don't need to!
The left hand ✋ doesn't know what the right ✋ is doing down under.. Pun intended 😁
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 6:41:41 GMT 7
Its true international services told me if i was staying in auatralia for 6 months or more they would review my unlimited portability and it would likley be cancelled that was when i got granted unlimited portability in 2013 As pady said, "The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing." On DSP UP you don't have to report you're leaving, on OAP you do! Also there are members with UP who spend most of their time in Oz, only travelling once a year. They still have their UP. They just make it up as they go along, depending on their mood at the time, and how they perceive the custo.....Client. Cheers bear
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Post by nomadic on Nov 25, 2018 7:02:51 GMT 7
Firstly, the same happened to me pady. A few years ago I got a letter forwarded to me from Oz to Thailand 6 months after one of my departures saying If I didn't answer 3 questions I may lose my payments. Eventually got on the phone to them and they asked why I didn't tell them I was leaving. Because I have UP and don't have to I said. OOOHHHH YES that is correct. Bye. They don't even have any hands at all let alone brains. Also to clear up? Are we saying that if I happened to go back to OZ for 6 months I would lose UP? That would mean that at first, they want to lock us in and then lock us out.
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simba
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Hi Admin, wanted to enter the UP, the thread is password protected. What is the passowrd
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Post by simba on Nov 25, 2018 18:43:01 GMT 7
Yes Bear, you may be right that you are "99.9% certain we have members with UP who have been away more than five years without having had to go through a review". Given the fact that UP was introduced in mid-2012, it has been in operation for ONLY the last five and half year. As Pady says about CL staff "The left hand ✋ doesn't know what the right ✋ is doing down under" that its true many staff including those at Smart Travel in Tasmania do not understand much about the legislation. The good news I have just learnt today is that there forum members with UP and can go and leave overseas and come back n the country leave again without their UP being affected. That is good to know. But what would be interesting to know from those with UP, when they return back in Australia, are they able to access PBS (medications), or if renting renting assistance, or electricity subsidy!!! Cheers Simba
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Post by nomadic on Nov 25, 2018 19:07:36 GMT 7
Simba I have had UP between 1999 and 2004. To make a long story shorter it was the then changed to only 3 months but under certain rules, you could stay on UP. They incorrectly put me on 3 months when I should have stayed on UP. So for 8 years, I did "pension" flights from Asia to anywhere in Australia for the sole purpose of going through immigration before returning on next flight. Every three months for 8 tears for no logical reason with nothing other than DSP to my name. I am 100% sure that while it may have been an error, to begin with, it was then covered up all the way to the federal court until I eventually found a lawyer who got my file and saw in 5 minutes what Centrelink hadn't seen or revealed in 8 years. So with his help I then got UP in 2013 as manifestly granted. So to answer your questions. Yes, I get everything when back on my once or twice yearly returns. But don't claim rental assistance as not there for long enough. And after 6 weeks away we lose about 60.00 subsidy a pay but that returns automatically on return. But Medicare card same as anybody else and meds also but only when in the country I can't get someone to get a script and post to me as Chemist has information when not in the country.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 20:16:34 GMT 7
Yes Bear, you may be right that you are "99.9% certain we have members with UP who have been away more than five years without having had to go through a review". Given the fact that UP was introduced in mid-2012, it has been in operation for ONLY the last five and half year. As Pady says about CL staff "The left hand ✋ doesn't know what the right ✋ is doing down under" that its true many staff including those at Smart Travel in Tasmania do not understand much about the legislation. The good news I have just learnt today is that there forum members with UP and can go and leave overseas and come back n the country leave again without their UP being affected. That is good to know. But what would be interesting to know from those with UP, when they return back in Australia, are they able to access PBS (medications), or if renting renting assistance, or electricity subsidy!!! Cheers Simba The short answer is Yes simba . However if you have been away for more than five years, you have to jump through Medicare hoops. It's on the forum somewhere, though we had a member go back for a week last year, after just under five years away and their Medicare is current and ongoing. The short trip reset it! As you might already know we lose concession cards and supplements when we leave for more than six weeks. The good news is the supplements are restored when we clear immigration, and a new concession card is sent out. They then remain current for six weeks after next departure. Electricity, RA and Rego concessions would be available through your new card I would think. If you're going to hang around for a while in Oz, it's an entitlement. Signed rental agreement, utilities and car in your name, can't see why they wouldn't pay it. Cheers bear
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Hi Admin, wanted to enter the UP, the thread is password protected. What is the passowrd
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Post by simba on Nov 26, 2018 18:37:45 GMT 7
Thanks for the inform, Bear. Cheers. Simba
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Post by tasjo on Nov 26, 2018 18:52:01 GMT 7
Yes Bear, you may be right that you are "99.9% certain we have members with UP who have been away more than five years without having had to go through a review". Given the fact that UP was introduced in mid-2012, it has been in operation for ONLY the last five and half year. As Pady says about CL staff "The left hand ✋ doesn't know what the right ✋ is doing down under" that its true many staff including those at Smart Travel in Tasmania do not understand much about the legislation. The good news I have just learnt today is that there forum members with UP and can go and leave overseas and come back n the country leave again without their UP being affected. That is good to know. But what would be interesting to know from those with UP, when they return back in Australia, are they able to access PBS (medications), or if renting renting assistance, or electricity subsidy!!! Cheers Simba The only Centrelink staff member I came across who knew what they were talking about was the FISO here in Tas... And then that was contradicted in writing... Mostly I get told 'we don't deal with that here you will have to phone, would you like to use the phone here for the next 1 or 2 hrs'... Erm no, I would rather sit at home and be comfortable
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simba
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Hi Admin, wanted to enter the UP, the thread is password protected. What is the passowrd
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Post by simba on Nov 28, 2018 17:01:41 GMT 7
Hi Immiadvice, congratulations for getting your UP only one year after it became operational. Can I ask you one question or two. When you applied for UP, did you have to undergo another JCA assessment under the post-2012 Impairment Tables? Basically what I want to find is whether your DSP was granted pre-2012 or post-2012. Thanks and regards. Simba
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Post by jr on Nov 28, 2018 17:35:44 GMT 7
Did UP only become operational in 2012? I first enquired about applying for it about 15 years ago but didn’t go ahead as my lack of Australian Working Life Residence years would reduce my pension to all but nothing due to my age. UP (or something similar) was definately available back then. Could UP have been called something different at that time?
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Post by latindancer on Nov 28, 2018 17:38:44 GMT 7
Yeah....it was called being on DSP. You could go overseas for 3 months, return to Oz for a day, and go O/S again for another 3 months......and repeat this indefinitely. Years before that, I believe you could go O/S for 6 months at a time...
But they reduced it again and again, until it is inhuman. 28 days, indeed ! Some people had families they had started O/s and could only see them for 28 days a year !
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Post by jr on Nov 28, 2018 18:00:25 GMT 7
It seems to state here that UP did exist in 2004, this definately seems to be what I was applying for: “there will be capacity to grant an unlimited portability period to a severely disabled disability support pensioner in defined circumstances”. www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2004B01504/14b463dd-8d9a-45d3-959d-6da1f09cc065Schedule 6 – Reducing portability period Summary Schedule 6 amends the Social Security Act to reduce the allowable period of temporary overseas absence for portable social security payments from 26 weeks to 13 weeks. The new portability period will apply to disability support pension (DSP) without distinction (under the current rules, severely disabled customers have unlimited portability for DSP) although there will be capacity to grant an unlimited portability period to a severely disabled disability support pensioner in defined circumstances. The changes will not affect age pension and wife and widow B pension where the recipient is an ‘entitled person’ These payments will retain an unlimited maximum portability period. A person’s rate of family tax benefit (FTB) is subject to modification (reduction) if the person or an FTB child of the person is absent from Australia for longer than 26 weeks. Schedule 6 also amends the Family Assistance Act to reduce that period of allowable absence to 13 weeks. The amendments made by Schedule 6 will commence on 1 July 2004 and apply in relation to absences from Australia that start on or after that date.
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