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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:08:47 GMT 7
Just thinking outside the box here. If the government wants to throw money at Indue, why don't they come up with a card that ALLOWS people to gamble and drink alcohol. You can only gamble or drink alcohol if you have an Indue card that says you can. Just like a drivers license or gun license, a alcohol and gambling license. If you don't have a license you can't get alcohol or do gambling activities. Walk into a pub, show your Indue license - Walk into a Casino, show your Indue license - Walk in a club where there are pokey machines, show your license. That would probably be effective in stopping the Pokies and a lot of gambling , but obviously it wont stop people buying drugs also people who have a licenese to buy alcohol will probably buy it and then sell it to people with out a license for a big profit, just like people under 18 years old aren't allowed to buy alcohol and have to show ID but that doesn't seem to stop them getting it.
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Post by murphy on May 3, 2017 3:17:04 GMT 7
They wouldn't even need the card, really, just the facial recognition software the yanks use when you enter the US.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 5:11:23 GMT 7
They wouldn't even need the card, really, just the facial recognition software the yanks use when you enter the US. History has shown if people want to drink gamble or take drugs the government can't stop them, for example prohibition of alcohol in AMerica in the 1920's, drinking was made illegal but more people actually drank. Facial regnition, welfare cards wont work, the only thing that works is education in the harmful effects of such activites and making people want to stop, for example less people are smoking these days because they are educated of the harmful effects of it
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Post by ProjectBorn on May 3, 2017 5:45:13 GMT 7
Sorry if already posted.
With 20% cash the card still allows people to drink anyway. I saw goon yesterday for $9 a cask....people will always find a way.
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Post by murphy on May 3, 2017 5:55:32 GMT 7
And there we have it.
It had to be a way for LNP cronies to profit. Coupling it with punishment and humiliation of vulnerable people must make them feel all warm and fuzzy.
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Post by Banjo on May 3, 2017 6:44:11 GMT 7
But Human Services Minister Alan Tudge said the "world-first" project was producing results and would become cheaper over time.
"New initiatives of this kind involve a high level of up-front build and set-up costs," Mr Tudge said.
"These up-front costs include building the IT, a year's worth of co-development of the card with local communities and merchants … and expert input on the design of the card.
"The actual running costs of the card are a fraction of the up-front costs.
"There are also significant economies of scale in the operation of the cashless debit card."
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Post by murphy on May 3, 2017 6:51:05 GMT 7
Food stamps aren't "world-first." The US has been using them for decades. The card is just a plastic food stamp.
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Post by murphy on May 3, 2017 7:12:05 GMT 7
"Opposition social services spokeswoman Jenny Macklin rejected the prospect of Australia-wide welfare quarantining.
"Labor does not believe that the cashless debit card should be rolled out nationally," Ms Macklin said.
Senator Siewert said the ALP needed to go further."
Also ABC.
Do you think we can trust Macklin? Or maybe she means that on 1 May 2017 Labor doesn't the think it should be rolled out nationally. Who knows what they'll think next month. (Yeah, the cynic is alive and well in me today.)
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Post by ProjectBorn on May 3, 2017 7:26:57 GMT 7
"Labor does not believe that the cashless debit card should be rolled out nationally," Ms Macklin said. Does she know something we don't and the card IS planned for a national rollout? Would the card require senate approval also?
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Post by Banjo on May 3, 2017 8:27:05 GMT 7
I doubt that she knows anything, the Liberals are notorious for not sharing anything with the opposition.
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Post by murphy on May 3, 2017 8:58:35 GMT 7
My MP's response was that they hoped it wouldn't get through the Senate. It was written by her high school work experience student, though.
The card itself doesn't require legislative change, but the budget to pay for it does have to get through the Senate.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 10:19:28 GMT 7
$10,000 per person the card cost so if the liberals roll it out nationally to 2 million people , is thay $2 billion? , just to stop people having a beer or a smoke or a bet on the Melbourne cup, not that it would actually work and stop anyone , drinking gambling or smoking
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 10:48:46 GMT 7
They won't and cannot afford to roll it out nationally. They do best to remember we also vote.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 10:50:25 GMT 7
"Labor does not believe that the cashless debit card should be rolled out nationally," Ms Macklin said. Does she know something we don't and the card IS planned for a national rollout? Would the card require senate approval also? I doubt it. Just because it was mentioned doesn't mean it will happen. I don't trust LNP but it'd be election suicide to try that sort of thing on what would be millions of voters especially in marginal seats. Macklin was saying it shouldn't be rolled out hypothetically.
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Post by ProjectBorn on May 3, 2017 11:13:14 GMT 7
No they'll just roll it out to Newstart and DSP recipients who don't vote Liberal anyway, they won't touch OAP who typically vote LNP.
I also think Macklin would have a fair idea of what's coming up.
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