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Post by tasjo on May 20, 2017 14:49:44 GMT 7
I've been thinking about UP sonce joining this forum... At the moment I dont have 20 points on 1 table but am hopeful that will change at my AAT 2nd Appeal. If it does change I should have up to 45 points across 5 tables with 20 on 1. I am debating applying for UP while things are still 'fresh' but wondered if I would have to move within a certain period or the UP would be cancelled? I wouldnt be looking at moving for a few years at least.
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Post by Denis-NFA on May 20, 2017 15:16:31 GMT 7
I am debating applying for UP while things are still 'fresh' but wondered if I would have to move within a certain period or the UP would be cancelled? I wouldnt be looking at moving for a few years at least. Good question tasjo and I don't have a definitive answer but I can relate what happened for me when I was granted UP back in 2013. All I received was a phone call to say I had been granted UP and then a letter asking when I planned to travel. The letter did not mention UP. I was in a position whereby I left Australia within 4 weeks but I could have indicated a date 6 or 12 months in advance. So what I'm saying is they seem to be okay as long as you can indicate your forward planning. Perhaps check with C/L International. All the best.
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Post by tasjo on May 20, 2017 15:47:09 GMT 7
Thanks Denis...
I'm not necessarily planning on moving overseas completely but ideally would like to visit my family in Europe for more than the 4 weeks paid. Am I correct that if UP is granted the DSP continues to be paid regardless of how long you spend away?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 16:22:53 GMT 7
Thanks Denis... I'm not necessarily planning on moving overseas completely but ideally would like to visit my family in Europe for more than the 4 weeks paid. Am I correct that if UP is granted the DSP continues to be paid regardless of how long you spend away? Tasjo, you only lose some support payments and you will be paid for an unlimited amount of time. Over 12 months and the value of your principal place of residence may be included in the assets test, which could see a further reduction in payments and AWLR will further reduce payments if you don't qualify with the full 35 years. Returning every three to five years may be a good idea for a short holiday, though I don't think this is mandatory. A short holiday up to 26 weeks shouldn't see any problems arise. I think once granted you got it! www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/disability-support-pension-while-travelling-outside-australia#a2guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/7/1/2/10
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Post by nomadic on May 20, 2017 17:57:28 GMT 7
similar to denis also tasjo. i got it in 2013 also and have had no contact with them since apart from there incompetence in 2015 asking me why i didn't tell them i was leaving after a short visit. because i don't have to i said. i have u p. not a word since. but as i think i mentioned somewhere else. i had a health care card valid till 2018. after returning this year they sent me a new one within a week of my return. valid until 2019. so they do keep tabs on us that's for sure. so if you get 20 points with no work capacity it would seem to me to be a formality but in saying that we are dealing with satan so who knows for sure and no doubt they will lie to you if they feel like it. but i'd go for it immediately as they can't possibly review you ten minutes later. then go see the family when you want to. good luck.
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Post by tasjo on May 20, 2017 18:23:37 GMT 7
i'd go for it immediately as they can't possibly review you ten minutes later. then go see the family when you want to. good luck. That was my thinking too nomadic... my only concern is that at the moment because my points increase was at the AAT (and will be if I get the 20 points now) my JCA still says 7-14 with 15-22 within 2 yrs with support. Although whether that still applies now that I am exempt from a PoS I'm not sure. It would make things a whole lot more flexible for me in the future to have it thats for sure.
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Post by murphy on May 20, 2017 19:06:53 GMT 7
UP requires no future work capacity.
An assessment of 7-14h may therefore be problematic.
But see how your appeal goes. Will your quacks state no future work capacity?
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Post by tasjo on May 20, 2017 19:53:52 GMT 7
UP requires no future work capacity. An assessment of 7-14h may therefore be problematic. But see how your appeal goes. Will your quacks state no future work capacity? I'm not sure... they may consider they have already done that by signing off on permanent incapacity. I'll see what happens at my lvl2 AAT conference... Welfare Rights and Wise are both confused as to why my capacity remained the same in spite of increased impairment points (15 to 25).
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Post by Denis-NFA on May 20, 2017 20:21:58 GMT 7
I'll see what happens at my lvl2 AAT conference... Welfare Rights and Wise are both confused as to why my capacity remained the same in spite of increased impairment points (15 to 25). All the best.
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Post by nomadic on May 21, 2017 18:48:52 GMT 7
i never had a work capacity assessment from a doctor. my 2 were from a girl at a clink office who only did that and the second was again at a clink office by an occupational therapist. maybe they spoke to my doctor also but not to my knowledge.
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Post by jr on Jun 5, 2017 14:11:39 GMT 7
Sorry to barge in on this thread. Does being assessed by a JCA as having a 0-7hr work capacity equal no future work capacity?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 16:45:50 GMT 7
Sorry to barge in on this thread. Does being assessed by a JCA as having a 0-7hr work capacity equal no future work capacity? I believe that is the benchmark jr, 0-7 hrs, 20 points one table = UP!
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Post by itsmylife08 on Jun 5, 2017 22:51:32 GMT 7
Sorry to barge in on this thread. Does being assessed by a JCA as having a 0-7hr work capacity equal no future work capacity? I believe that is the benchmark jr, 0-7 hrs, 20 points one table = UP! I was granted UP in February 2015 backdated to September 2013, the criteria I had to meet was 20pts on one table plus 0-2 CITW. If your CITW happened in Australia, you were granted an exemption from proportionality ( AWLR) was not affected if you had less than the required 35 years for full benefit. All other benefits Were impacted at some stage Example Rent Assistance, Pensioner Supplement, Pension Concession card, usually upon departure. Regards Itsa
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Post by jr on Jun 5, 2017 23:54:32 GMT 7
Thanks bear and itsa, I was curious. I have wondered about applying but not sure I'd be game after the stress of my review. And being young I would be subject to the AWLR rules. Could I ask in simple terms how that works?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 2:53:27 GMT 7
jr... to learn more, send Banjo a PM for the password to the AWLR board, directly below General, Cheers bear Australian Working Life Residence AWLR refers to a person's period of residence in Australia between age 16 and age pension age. If the rate of an agreement pension is calculated on a proportional basis the proportion to be paid is generally based on an AWLR up to a maximum of 35 years (420 months). A person's AWLR is calculated in whole months and a full month is added for odd days. guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/10/1/100#australian_working_life_residence
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