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Post by muggins on Oct 17, 2018 15:35:58 GMT 7
l also wonder if people who live in the bush hours from a capital city are less likely to be reviewed then people in cities where theres jobs and training and facilities I was thinking the same thing until someone came onto this forum a while back, and said they were from a country town and were undergoing a strict 21 day dsp review.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 16:07:39 GMT 7
l also wonder if people who live in the bush hours from a capital city are less likely to be reviewed then people in cities where theres jobs and training and facilities I was thinking the same thing until someone came onto this forum a while back, and said they were from a country town and were undergoing a strict 21 day dsp review. It's getting harder and harder trying to keep up with ever changing rules. Maybe they were under thirty-five.
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Post by muggins on Oct 17, 2018 16:59:32 GMT 7
I don't think he was under 35. Anyway it seems the gov is making up the rules as they go, whatever it takes for dsp reduction.
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Post by palomino on Oct 17, 2018 18:28:05 GMT 7
So just going through my medical reports starting with primary condition;
Lumbar spine - multilevel degenerative changes with slipped disc. L1/2 moderate facet degeneration L2/3 " " "
L3/4 severe facet degeneration and facet hypertrophy L4/5 " " " " " and foraminal narrowing with L4 nerve impingement L5/S1 " " " " " " " with L5 nerve impingement.
Bilateral knee osteoarthritis with full thickness chondral loss in weight bearing surface of femur.
Bilateral rotator cuff tears 1 x full thickness tear 20 x 13mm 1 partial tear 10 x 8mm.
Bilateral tinnitus with hearing loss, currently use hearing aids.
Every day I have to put on a back brace upon waking, otherwise can't walk or move freely. Reason for rejection, I do not have deserve 20 points according to their interpretation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 20:52:37 GMT 7
palomino I thought your spinal issues sounded familiar! I think if your doctor is applying the tables correctly you would be assessed under Table 3 for the lower spinal issues below. Walking etc. Go through it and give yourself the assessment and confide in your doctor about it. This should also come under Table 3, bilateral knee osteoarthritis with full thickness chondral loss in weight bearing surface of femur. Sciatica describes pain felt along the sciatic nerve, which runs from your lower back, down through the buttock, hamstrings and into the lower leg. The sciatic nerve is the longest nerve in the body. The spinal sections it originates from include L4, L5 or S1. (some sites also say to S3) physioworks.com.au/injuries-conditions-1/sciaticaI think your rotor cuff injuries should be applicable to Table 2; again self assessment etc. And I think your L1-L5 spinal problems should be assessed under Table 4, rinse and repeat the above advice. Also remember most people have a tendency to under estimate their problems because they don't won't to be a burden. Do your self evaluations for your worst days not your best, and without the aid of your backbrace as i consider that to be a stabilizing device and separate altogether from your spinal issues. To be eligible for DSP, the criteria is:- Diagnosed, Treated & Stabilized. Have fun with this little exercise and err on the side of the worst of the worst days; and be totally honest with yourself, because only ourselves know how bad the bad days are. Cheers bear
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Post by mspurple on Oct 18, 2018 4:25:45 GMT 7
bear I do not know if this bit of information is of use or not but I will share it anyway. When I was having my AAT hearing they wanted to know things like how I walked and functioned not without but with any aids I may need to use. I asked what did they mean and they said they wanted to know how far I could walk with the help of any walking stick, walker, crutches etc. So I think they make the assessment based on ability with things like backbraces.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 6:45:52 GMT 7
bear I do not know if this bit of information is of use or not but I will share it anyway. When I was having my AAT hearing they wanted to know things like how I walked and functioned not without but with any aids I may need to use. I asked what did they mean and they said they wanted to know how far I could walk with the help of any walking stick, walker, crutches etc. So I think they make the assessment based on ability with things like backbraces. Interesting mspurple, I didn't know that! I would still recommend self evaluation without it though to form a base line, then perhaps consider how much better I was with it, but again, on my worst days with it, not on my best. Thanks for pointing that out, and all information is important because it could be of use to one or more of us! Cheers bear
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Post by tasjo on Oct 19, 2018 5:37:21 GMT 7
Mspurple - same for me in terms of assessment with aids rather than without. I think the reasoning behind it is possibly that if you use a wheelchair then workplaces etc have to make adjustments (in theory at least) and they are assessing your ability to work at least 15 hrs... I guess that is the theory anyway
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Post by nomadic on Oct 19, 2018 6:23:17 GMT 7
yes again sounds like they are creating miracles to cure your disabilities so you can "WORK". Then you can be put on your "CORRECT" payment of the dole. Been a long time, I had forgotten but just remembered. GGGGGRRROOOOOWWWWLLLLL!
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Post by palomino on Oct 19, 2018 10:13:58 GMT 7
yes again sounds like they are creating miracles to cure your disabilities so you can "WORK". Then you can be put on your "CORRECT" payment of the dole. Been a long time, I had forgotten but just remembered. GGGGGRRROOOOOWWWWLLLLL!
Well they must've done something to me because my Dr already stated my capacity is under 8 hours pw, then somehow miraculously it was able to be doubled by their assessment! Even blind Freddy can see what they're trying to do, slowly but surely keep pushing your limit up so it goes over the threshold and then you're automatically disqualified from being eligible for DSP.
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Post by nomadic on Oct 19, 2018 18:04:37 GMT 7
just keep fighting them
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Post by tasjo on Oct 20, 2018 18:09:18 GMT 7
yes again sounds like they are creating miracles to cure your disabilities so you can "WORK". Then you can be put on your "CORRECT" payment of the dole. Been a long time, I had forgotten but just remembered. GGGGGRRROOOOOWWWWLLLLL!
Well they must've done something to me because my Dr already stated my capacity is under 8 hours pw, then somehow miraculously it was able to be doubled by their assessment! Even blind Freddy can see what they're trying to do, slowly but surely keep pushing your limit up so it goes over the threshold and then you're automatically disqualified from being eligible for DSP. I was working full time when I became disabled... When I applied for DSP I was receiving income protection for total incapacity... My condition is degenerative and yet the JCA overrode my GP and specialists to say that 'with support' my capacity could increase to between 15-22 hrs a week within 2 yrs. DES provider only obligation was to 'find' 8 hrs a week at minimum wage... Apparently multiple moderate impairments make it easier to work than one serious one. All I can say is keep appealing, understand the criteria, get your doctor's to document things in a way Centrelink can understand and if the JCA doesn't understand your conditions or their effect on you then request someone different
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 19:38:50 GMT 7
Well they must've done something to me because my Dr already stated my capacity is under 8 hours pw, then somehow miraculously it was able to be doubled by their assessment! Even blind Freddy can see what they're trying to do, slowly but surely keep pushing your limit up so it goes over the threshold and then you're automatically disqualified from being eligible for DSP. I was working full time when I became disabled... When I applied for DSP I was receiving income protection for total incapacity... My condition is degenerative and yet the JCA overrode my GP and specialists to say that 'with support' my capacity could increase to between 15-22 hrs a week within 2 yrs. DES provider only obligation was to 'find' 8 hrs a week at minimum wage... Apparently multiple moderate impairments make it easier to work than one serious one. All I can say is keep appealing, understand the criteria, get your doctor's to document things in a way Centrelink can understand and if the JCA doesn't understand your conditions or their effect on you then request someone different tasjo I've been wracking my brain and had a bit of a look, but can't find it! I'm almost sure I've seen somewhere in the legislation/guidelines that Centrelink CAN'T override your doctors recommendations. Any thoughts? Cheers bear
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Post by tasjo on Oct 21, 2018 6:23:41 GMT 7
I'm not sure but I know they did with mine initially by saying it was a different criteria... Same as them only accepting their own medical certificates. I believe it's easier if you challenge it at the start (ie by asking the JCA what experience they have to assess your condition). The other thing that I had happen was the relevant information went 'missing' and because the page that was received said my mental health impairments could improve if I was given DSP I wasn't classed as stabilised.
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Post by mspurple on Oct 21, 2018 6:24:49 GMT 7
bear isn't that why they have the JCA override the doctors? I thought the JCA were through the job agencies not centrelink??
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