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Post by peter on Feb 13, 2013 20:01:02 GMT 7
For Ghostbuster,
There are two groups of people who apply for OAP, those who are resident at the time of application, and those who are non resident.
For those who are resident at the time of the granst of the OAP, the OAP is exportable indefinitely and one has no obligation to return to Australia within one's lifetime.
For those who are non resident one must regain Australian permanent residency, which is two years residency under social security law before which no OAP is exportable permanently, and after which it may be exported indefinitely.
In both cases the amount of OAP paid will be in accord with one's AWLR.
And short term overseas visits during the two year reestablishment period is a separate topic which I will not comment on here.
And part of the pension supplement reduces after six weeks. regardless of whether the departure is temporary or permanent.
And the above is an opinion only. Differing interpretations invited if applicable.
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Post by skills32 on Feb 13, 2013 22:42:39 GMT 7
Banjo There are quite a few threads on this subject and it is difficult to post on every one. I have been there and done that. ie applied for the pension and had it taken off me when I went O/S. I went right through the appeal process up to the AAT. I had been away for about 6 years but had 3 visits back to Oz in that time however one length of absence was a bit over 3 years. C/l regulations state that an absence of over 3 years should be considered permanent rather than temporary. Just before the AAT hearing Ihad a call from someone who I assumed was with the AAT and I told him that this was a waste of time, That I had worked in Oz all my life and that the former resident rules were brought in to stop the Greeks etc from working in Oz for a few years ,returning home and coming back when they had reached 65 to claim the pension. And that I was entitled to a full pension without restrictions. He agreed with me and it was then I found out he was a C/L lawyer, He forwarded me an agreement form and all of a sudden I had full portability on my pension. Two weeks later I returned O/S and have been receiving the OAP ever since. This took place in 2008. FWIT this is the relevant advice to C/L www.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-3/ssguide-3.1/ssguide-3.1.1/ssguide-3.1.1.10.htmlOne should stretch the truth when talking to C/L because they do it to you. Only tell them what they want to hear that will advance your case. And appeal, appeal and appeal again all the way to the top of the tree. Thanks for this information skills. I have been advising members of this forum since day one "If your not happy about any decision made by Centrelink APPEAL, APPEAL, APPEAL." because most C/L staff making these decisions don't know their ass from their elbow. I guess what I am saying is that the former residence rules don't apply to any one with over 30years working life in Oz. Then they have to prove it. You are shifting the burden of proof from you to them and believe me they don't want to go there. It is pandoras box.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 6:37:48 GMT 7
Banker or Banj: could I ask this please oh wise ones! Can I take it to mean that I can just stay on DSP even when I reach (If I DO? 65; which is still 13 years distant for me? Bloody memory cant focus on legislative details anymore, so all I have are you guys now, thank God! Thanks Men:)) Cheetal...
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Post by Banjo on Feb 14, 2013 7:07:17 GMT 7
I thought about this for a while when I thought that the UP was something that I could achieve. I worked out that it was possible to stay on the DSP at 65 but I now cannot see any real advantages.
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Post by Banker on Feb 14, 2013 7:59:18 GMT 7
When I changed over from DSP to OAP some top officer called me about it and I asked him would it be better for me to stay on the DSP, he said No Way. With all that is going on now trying to get people off the DSP I can understand what he was trying to tell me.
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Post by Banker on Feb 14, 2013 8:26:17 GMT 7
Banker or Banj: could I ask this please oh wise ones! Can I take it to mean that I can just stay on DSP even when I reach (If I DO? 65; which is still 13 years distant for me? Bloody memory cant focus on legislative details anymore, so all I have are you guys now, thank God! Thanks Men:)) Cheetal... Cheetal, Old mate. 13 years is a long way off. Many things can change and will change re pensions in the years to come, just look at what they have done in the last 3 years. I have an old saying " We can plan the future but we can NOT plan the results" Once again this has just be proven to me. I have/ had plans for the future, I still have a lot of things that I want to do. Then last week out of nowhere I had a heart attack, they got me into the ER in a private Hospital in Ayutthaya. Private hospitals in Thailand see a white face and start counting the $$$$, I dis missed myself after 4 hours of very good care with an Indian Doctor and 4 beautiful nurses, ;D I drove home on the Friday morning about 4 hours I still dont know how I did it, guess its just The Banker being pig headed again. Two days ago I finished up in the ER in Chulalonghorn hospital Bangkok, only to be surrounded by young interns most of them being GAY, so I had some fun passing out Mr Banjo Phone number. The point I am trying to make here is, When I left the hospital one Dr said to me remember you condition is serious and you can drop dead at any time. So my plans for the future have been shot down in flames, new plans now being made............ But I still can not plan the result.
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Post by peter on Feb 14, 2013 10:01:54 GMT 7
Hello Banker,
Well, that is a melancholy tale. I had a life long older friend who passed on three years ago at the age of 83. His motto was "one day at a time". The older he got, the more he anchored his attitude on that and it impressed me quite a lot. It certainly took the worry out of his life.
By contrast, I was always a planner, a builder of plans, and one day they all came undone one after another.
Men build plans and three things come along to undo them. They are relationship problems.....bust ups.....financial problems..........bankrupts.............and health problems..............disability.
The story in the Bible about the building of the Tower Of Babel, is the story of the stupidity of man building up the House Of Thoughts, and inevitably, it will collapse. The older we get we see that fact repeated again and again. But still men like to build these thought houses, and again and again they collapse and men are stunned but they do not draw the correct conclusion.
Which is that thoughts are dreams and anything built out of thought will wither away.
By night we build with dreams and by day we build with thoughts but both are built from the same substance and have no permanent existence.
The human body is also a dream and if one can accept that, then one values it for what it is which is a passing thing, not to be held onto and in any case it cannot be held onto permanently.
One day at a time, is a good truism for those past 70......soon to include myself.
And in the Christian faith it is put another way:
"Take no thought for tomorrow"...............and
" who of you by worry can add one moment to his life."
If you have to get out of there, as you may since OAP's have no medical assistance whilst out of Australia, and you have to return to Australia, then so be it.
Cairns is always here, and everything that an OAP needs is also here. If I can assist here, let me know by pm if you wish. Just do not get stranded there.
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Post by howdo on Feb 14, 2013 10:05:38 GMT 7
Sorry to hear this Banker, I hope your feeling a little better mate.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 14, 2013 10:13:46 GMT 7
I wondered why all the ladyboy nurses were ringing me up asking for Banker's phone number.
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Post by latindancer on Feb 14, 2013 12:42:18 GMT 7
Jeez Banker, That's pretty full-on. One of my best mates had a heart attack only a few weeks ago at the age of 52. I hope you're taking some good medication, and taking it strictly according to doctor's orders. My friend had a stent put in and his heart is down to 50% pumping ability, but that will improve over time. How's yours now ? Or did you not get it tested due to being a stubborn old bugger ? Ya gotta watch out for that in yerself......another friend of mine fell and hit his head a few years ago, got taken to emergency, discharged himself, went over the road to a park and died of a brain haemorrhage on a park bench. Just be a bit generous to yerself, mate.
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Post by baranghope on Feb 14, 2013 13:44:37 GMT 7
Banker, you need the full MRI and CT scan results etc., as only they can tell the medical guys (blind) what is going on . . . that's what I found in November 2010 when I was in serious condition in the GI Ward. Could be just a slight blockage and they just shunt in a balloon. Either way, don't dismiss it . . . but obviously, getting it all done on Medicare here is the $$ way, unless $2k will cover such stuff in a quality private Thai hospital. This may hamper your constant search for free wondrous companionship with the yings.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 14, 2013 15:01:22 GMT 7
It's probably too much companionship that's caused it.
Seriously though it's time for a re-assessment of priorities, coming back to Australia and regaining residency wont be the end of the world, after they've given him a tune up and an oil change he is still on the OAP.
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Post by anotherdsp on Feb 14, 2013 18:49:08 GMT 7
to banker,get well mate an take it easy mate
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Post by Banker on Feb 14, 2013 19:56:02 GMT 7
It's probably too much companionship that's caused it. Seriously though it's time for a re-assessment of priorities, coming back to Australia and regaining residency wont be the end of the world, after they've given him a tune up and an oil change he is still on the OAP. I have to see the Cardiologist next month back at the Hospital. He will asses my condition and I can make a decision after that. Its a wait & see game at the moment, perhaps these pills Im taking will do the trick plus some life style changes. I sure hope the pills are working because they are making me feel like SH*T. Thank you all for the good wishes,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 4:34:46 GMT 7
banker,i had a hear attack 3 years ago,no warning whats so ever,happend while i was asleep at 1.30 am,i was lucky to wake up,it was a big one,100 pc blockage,i died 3 times on the way to hospital,they had to shock me 3 times,any way they put in a stent and i feel great,the stent is so simple,nothing to worry about,for me it was 5 days in icu,then i was back walking along the beach again,but if they get you before heart attack its just day sergery,in and out,they the best part is they will give you a specialest to see from then on ,and he will monitor your heart ,mate that way you could live to be 130 lol,f k look at all the dsp money gov will have to pay out ,lol.good luck mate.
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