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Post by minime on Mar 7, 2019 9:45:32 GMT 7
The allowable 28 days deems to be based on standard labour worker laws. What is missing is fair play and the following:
Any days not taken in any one year should be simply rolled over and accumulated.
Eg. 2 years no travel overseas totals 56 days available for overseas travel.
In this case one shouldn’t need to apply for portability.
Any unused days from previous years add up and can be taken at a later date without question. This then stays in compliance with labor laws, long service leave. Anything less challenges the discriminations act.
Option 2. This should also be humanly possible to an extended trip after 28 day without financial support. Eg. 13 week rule no payment after 28 days but Auto-reinstatement of payment once entering Australia again if within 13 weeks.
Both of these options should be set on AUTO Not requiring notification unless applying for unlimited portability (UP)
Based on fair play.
If you agree please write to your politician and ask for changes.
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Post by Banjo on Mar 7, 2019 14:00:23 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum minime What should be suggested to our learned and dedicated leaders is that Unlimited Portability should be given on multiple disabilities rather than a single disability as it is now. This is ludicrous when the DSP assessment uses the former method. This would allow a lot more people on the DSP unlimited overseas travel time. |
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Post by tasjo on Mar 7, 2019 16:27:16 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum minime What should be suggested to our learned and dedicated leaders is that Unlimited Portability should be given on multiple disabilities rather than a single disability as it is now. This is ludicrous when the DSP assessment uses the former method. This would allow a lot more people on the DSP unlimited overseas travel time. The problem with that would be that it would also change the program of support requirements as well banjo  although why it is supposed to be more feasible for people with multiple moderate disabilities to increase their work capacity but not one severe impairment I have no idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 17:57:25 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum minime Agree with you completely about the rollover of days. Option 2 is already an option, in the form you have set out, and that should be set on Auto as well. IMHO the only reason DSPer's have to phone in their travel plans is not because they are complex, as Centrelink states; but a power trip by the Politicians to place even more stress on already vulnerable citizens, so as to make them think they are less deserving. After all; we can't simply sneak out and back in again without them being alerted by Immigration; or perhaps we can, and that is actually why we have to call; so as Centrelink can have them flag us. I never ever called the local office or hotline after I discovered this forum; since then I have always called Centrelink International Services (131673). The wait times are short and staff much more affable. I do stand by my paranoid rant about the pollies though, and again, welcome. Cheers bear P.S. Prior to the introduction of the 28 day limit, many members made Senate Submissions against the proposal; the result of that as we know was rather moot. Still the Submissions will hang around for up to a hundred years I think it is; so future generations will be able to see how hard people had to battle against the worst government in our history, just to receive a slap in the face. |
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Post by nomadic on Mar 7, 2019 18:48:07 GMT 7
Welcome also minime. But I am Growling again. Surprise? Let's not get distracted by technicalities. The U.N. charter says disabled people should be free to travel and live where they choose. End of story. Only when UP is available for every body on DSP will i have a beer in 100% peace. Everybody on DSP should automatically get UP. And when it happens this forum can be about horse racing and chinwag only. Our focus should always be on UP as dspoverseas suggests. It benefits everybody so let's never forget that. Even the taxpayer bigots.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Mar 8, 2019 2:17:13 GMT 7
minimeWelcome also. What you have suggested is just Common Sense so of course it will NEVER be implemented!  Cheers Denis
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Post by nomadic on Mar 9, 2019 18:14:23 GMT 7
Does anyone else pinch themselves as often as i do? If someone in 1995 had of said i would be in Laos, pronounced only Lao by the way, more times than i have been in Oz in the next 24 years i would have said you are insane. Just had a beerlao in Vientiane and was pondering how strange life can be depending on unforseen circumstances. Would any of you now having fun in the pines or elsewhere have believed it all those years ago? I had only vaguely heard the name Laos before i joined an organised tour as a big adventure for 2 weeks in 1995. Now been here so many times i have lost count. As i drank my beerlao tonight i again pinched myself. I guess it doesn't matter where you end up as long as you are happy about it.
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Post by latindancer on Mar 10, 2019 6:49:31 GMT 7
Nomadic, Could you please tell me which characteristics of life in Laos appeal to you more than, say, Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines, or other similar places which are cheap to live in ?
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Post by nomadic on Mar 10, 2019 8:40:50 GMT 7
Would never want to live in Laos as opposed to Thailand. Far less infrastructure and far more expensive also. Apart from the beer which is about the only thing they make here. But even the best super market here in the capital has closed down since lkast visit unless there are others i don't know of. So while less crowded and traffic makes it very enjoyable for a while i wouldn't be quick to leave Thailand where you have lots of western homesick stuff and far better medical among other things. I believe it is about the 10th poorest country in the world. And all the others poorer ones are in Africa So while tourism is helping fix many of the roads things can still be long and bumpy on really old buses. Lastly, in general i like Lao people more than Thai.
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Post by kimmy on Mar 10, 2019 11:21:56 GMT 7
Welcome Minime
Agree with Nomadic. Up should be automatically granted with dsp.
Or at least increase the 28 days payment while abroad to 6 months so that dsp’ers can move to warmer climates with cheaper living costs during the bitter cold months.
Cheers
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Post by nomadic on Mar 10, 2019 11:27:02 GMT 7
Just pinched again . Who would have believed in 1975 as i left the MCG after North won first ever flag that one day i would be in a city i had never heard of 44 years later watching Aussie rules. In 1975 only Collingwood had sheila's playing for them. But now watching on ABC in Vientiane where all players are sheila's. Not even Nostradamus could have predicted that. So i'll predict that one day everybody on DSP will have UP. Then others who are now young will pinch themselves with it but i hope it doesn't take another 44 years. But maybe?
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Post by Banjo on Mar 10, 2019 14:28:07 GMT 7
Nomadic, Could you please tell me which characteristics of life in Laos appeal to you more than, say, Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines, or other similar places which are cheap to live in ? I lived in Vientiane for nearly a year and loved it latindancer, but that was back in 2001. It's change a lot now, there were a lot of cheap places then, I paid 40USD a month for a two roomed apartment with kitchen and bathroom a short walk (for me then) to the main market and ate mainly locally. There was plenty of good French bread available but no real supermarkets which meant stuff like cheese and bacon was scarce. A lot has changed now, many of the cheaper places have gone and the great riverfront area has been bulldozed and replaced with tar and cement and organised tourist market stall in the evening. I liked Loung Prabang but have not been back since then so maybe "improvement" has arrived there as well. Long term visa is harder, I had a few hassles. |
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Post by nomadic on Mar 10, 2019 19:21:46 GMT 7
i'm currently paying 700 baht for what can get in Thailand for 500 everywhere. One scoop of ice cream in a cup 60 baht compared to 10 in Thailand. i didn't convert it until after i paid in kip. and then growled. the one supermarket i knew has closed. You would think there may be another western style one but yet to find it. All newspapers including Thai English ones at a little stall are days old including the Vientiane Times. I think she probably picks up the used ones and re sells them. Closed supermarket use to have Bangkok Post the same day. You wouldn't know Luang Prabang from 2001 banjo. i was there in 1995 on a tour as was only way allowed to get into Laos in those days. The now modern fountain circle here in Vientiane was a pile of bombed concrete in those day swith not a falang in sight. Now as many as Chiang Rai night bazaar.
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Post by Banjo on Mar 11, 2019 7:49:35 GMT 7
I knew a reporter from the Vientiane Times very well, she was determined to sell me a Lao English Dictionary and phrase book she had written, too expensive for me in those days though.
We used to drink beer in the evenings with another Lao lady who was the deputy Nai Baan... literally "boss of the town" for the local government area.
Both of them proposed to me at one stage but I was very careful to keep our relationship friends only. (No benefits... lol)
Fascinating city, all the older people spoke French, there was a lot more English speakers than you get in rural Thailand and many spoke Russian as well.
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Post by minime on Mar 13, 2019 4:19:34 GMT 7
The U.N. charter says disabled people should be free to travel and live where they choose. Everybody on DSP should automatically get UP. It benefits everybody so let's never forget that. Even the taxpayer bigots. I definitely agree with you. Wow U.N you say, I didn’t know that. But let’s put that one into prospective. We are free to live anywhere outside Australia. But some not with DSP support. So does U.N. stipulate: live overseas and receive DSP payment support? If so then here we go again Australia has a lot of good things going for it but the people in power certainly brake discrimination ethics when laying down centrelink policy’s. Applying for UP is closer to “death wish” for most recipients. Apparently 3 in 4 people are taken off DSP who apply for it. Now bringing up option 2. extending 28 days without applying for it. When the rules changed from 6 to 4 weeks. I was OS overlapped and my payment did stop. CL let me know. I wrote to centrelink stating I didn’t realise the rules had changed. I was about 4 days over. They then continued payment deducting days I was over once I was back in Australia. I did write in a letter. So was it set to Auto? I can’t say, but I can confirm once you leave it is automatically updated on there system. And yes yes yes - it should be Autoreinstate payments on return because it does save the country money!!! Like you say Nomadic - So why don’t they make it clear on the website? What I see when reading it is fearful. But I guess that’s there whole tactic. Not so human nor logical where it really needs to be. Also to show the Tax payers DSP we aren’t just on it for the holidays. DSP participants actually are poor bastards who can’t live like normal people can do, we suffer for it enough and still get judged incorrectly by the norm. |
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although why it is supposed to be more feasible for people with multiple moderate disabilities to increase their work capacity but not one severe impairment I have no idea.
