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Post by nomadic on May 21, 2019 7:16:37 GMT 7
Nobody is worse than me for getting off topic but this seems to have been a bigger problem recently and admin have correctly closed many threads.
So how about we forget the weather, exchange rates, and politics for the most part as we have no control over them. Don't stress out as stress only hurts you. Anger likewise. So the 2 main aims for us are.
1. As our name says dspoverseas. so we should all be doing everything in our power to get unlimited portability back to where it was 20 years ago at least. Everyone benefits from those on DSP to that nasty word "ECONOMY" even, as we get less and pay our own medical etc.
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2.What I see as even more evil. Disabled people being put on the lesser dole for no other reason than that nasty word above. This surely is human rights abuse as even the U.N. are now looking into it. This really is Hitler type treatment of the disabled. Quadriplegics and all now on the dole unless you appeal it. And as we know many don't. Hence why they do it.
There are a few other crazy rules also we can fight for including banjo's pet of those on OAP returning to Australia and then having to wait 2 years to get U.P.
BUT PLEASE let's get our focus back on the real major problems facing those on pensions that are simply total insanity.
Illogical madness at best that has been pushed by the insane selfish media who think we should all be miserable rather than happy. Well up yours Elliot etc as I'm one million times happier than you will ever be as you moan about us.
Continue all the other useful threads for sure but let's remember why we are here for the most part.
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Post by latindancer on May 21, 2019 11:34:51 GMT 7
I, for one, would like to go overseas again for more than one month a year. I will be 64 in a few months and am on the DSP.
It does seem rather stupid to be denying me the chance to go to South East Asia, for instance in our Winter.
But then if I happen to return around the time I am granted OAP, to have to wait 2 years to go overseas again, simply because of bureaucratic technicalities is beyond stupid....
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 13:31:25 GMT 7
I, for one, would like to go overseas again for more than one month a year. I will be 64 in a few months and am on the DSP. It does seem rather stupid to be denying me the chance to go to South East Asia, for instance in our Winter. But then if I happen to return around the time I am granted OAP, to have to wait 2 years to go overseas again, simply because of bureaucratic technicalities is beyond stupid.... Yes latindancer it is something Banjo and myself suffered through. Sitting around twiddling our thumbs in Oz being not worth a jot, until magically, from one day to the next we were treated like human beings and allowed to do as we pleased travel wise; utter stupidity. I think anybody that could self fund up to 13 weeks including the 28 days, once a year prior to getting OAP wouldn't activate the 2 year rule; as they are primarily targeting expats who return specifically to get OAP, i.e. overseas workers. Unfortunately any DSP'ers who have been living overseas, that for one reason or another return to change over, are also caught up in it. Either way it's one we need to focus on. Cheers bear |
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Post by itsmylife08 on May 21, 2019 21:15:14 GMT 7
I, for one, would like to go overseas again for more than one month a year. I will be 64 in a few months and am on the DSP. It does seem rather stupid to be denying me the chance to go to South East Asia, for instance in our Winter. But then if I happen to return around the time I am granted OAP, to have to wait 2 years to go overseas again, simply because of bureaucratic technicalities is beyond stupid.... latindancer I may be wrong but I do recall that you have to be given an option,when you turn whatever age they should contact you and offer you the option of staying on DSP or going on O A P. A few years back a very dear friend of mine was in a similar situation, needless to say they convinced him to go for O A P as the benefits were better. To cut a very long story short, my friend opted for the latter and hey presto was told if he left he would loose his benefits alas he spent another two years somewhere he didn't want to be. It was his dream to retire to South East Asia and be with his adopted family, this he achieved sadly he passed away soon after arriving. Best wishes Itsa |
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Post by nomadic on May 22, 2019 6:41:32 GMT 7
Yes itsa, another terribly sad story. I think I also heard recently you won't be offered to change to OAP until you are 66 now. I haven't been contacted about it and went 65 6 months ago. By the way, I still haven't figured out whether to change or not if I am offered. Seems they wouldn't be offering it unless it was for their benefit rather than ours. Cynical? YES!
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Post by latindancer on May 22, 2019 7:51:21 GMT 7
Cynicism is the only sensible option, especially now that we will be dealing with Morrison & co.
A question : if at age 66, a person is offered the choice of OAP or staying on DSP, and they stay on DSP, can they travel O/S as much as they like, as if they were on OAP ? Do they suddenly get U.P. ?
Logic would dictate a "yes", but we are dealing with bureaucrats here...
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Post by Banjo on May 22, 2019 8:00:32 GMT 7
If you want full portability and cannot get it on the DSP I'd go onto the Age Pension without hesitation.
I know I did.
I can't see how they would grant it for DSP recipients just because they were eligible for the Age Pension.
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Post by eight on May 22, 2019 8:36:25 GMT 7
Nobody is worse than me for getting off topic but this seems to have been a bigger problem recently and admin have correctly closed many threads. So how about we forget the weather, exchange rates, and politics for the most part as we have no control over them. Don't stress out as stress only hurts you. Anger likewise. So the 2 main aims for us are. 1. As our name says dspoverseas. so we should all be doing everything in our power to get unlimited portability back to where it was 20 years ago at least. Everyone benefits from those on DSP to that nasty word "ECONOMY" even, as we get less and pay our own medical etc. . 2.What I see as even more evil. Disabled people being put on the lesser dole for no other reason than that nasty word above. This surely is human rights abuse as even the U.N. are now looking into it. This really is Hitler type treatment of the disabled. Quadriplegics and all now on the dole unless you appeal it. And as we know many don't. Hence why they do it. There are a few other crazy rules also we can fight for including banjo's pet of those on OAP returning to Australia and then having to wait 2 years to get U.P. BUT PLEASE let's get our focus back on the real major problems facing those on pensions that are simply total insanity. Illogical madness at best that has been pushed by the insane selfish media who think we should all be miserable rather than happy. Well up yours Elliot etc as I'm one million times happier than you will ever be as you moan about us. Continue all the other useful threads for sure but let's remember why we are here for the most part. For this forum to have any political power where it stands out and is taken any notice of, it needs more members, more posts more topics and if it is only going to cover the basics of DSP items then it will never grow any bigger that what it is now. Closing two topics that were members were actively participating in was wrong in my opinion , but then I dont own this forum and have no idea how to run one, but I do know that in this world you have to be bigger and better than others to survive, and that means the forum needs more members and more post and more topics. Eg,, When was the last post made under the OAP section,,, months ago. If you are going to close off topics why not close down that section ,,,,, or maybe the whole forum. |
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Post by Denis-NFA on May 22, 2019 8:37:24 GMT 7
If you want full portability and cannot get it on the DSP I'd go onto the Age Pension without hesitation. I know I did. I can't see how they would grant it for DSP recipients just because they were eligible for the Age Pension. I agree with what Banjo said. |
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Post by Denis-NFA on May 22, 2019 8:40:04 GMT 7
Yes itsa, another terribly sad story. I think I also heard recently you won't be offered to change to OAP until you are 66 now. I haven't been contacted about it and went 65 6 months ago. By the way, I still haven't figured out whether to change or not if I am offered. Seems they wouldn't be offering it unless it was for their benefit rather than ours. Cynical? YES! Same nomadicI'm not sure I will change to OAP. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 9:01:21 GMT 7
Cynicism is the only sensible option, especially now that we will be dealing with Morrison & co. A question : if at age 66, a person is offered the choice of OAP or staying on DSP, and they stay on DSP, can they travel O/S as much as they like, as if they were on OAP ? Do they suddenly get U.P. ? Logic would dictate a "yes", but we are dealing with bureaucrats here... No is the answer latindancer. While I waited to have my OAP approved I pointed out that since I was now eligible for UP and overdue perhaps I could just leave. No; was the answer and, if I remained on DSP, 28 day portability would be maintained. This is just another abberation that needs to be fixed. Cheers bear |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 9:06:28 GMT 7
Yes itsa, another terribly sad story. I think I also heard recently you won't be offered to change to OAP until you are 66 now. I haven't been contacted about it and went 65 6 months ago. By the way, I still haven't figured out whether to change or not if I am offered. Seems they wouldn't be offering it unless it was for their benefit rather than ours. Cynical? YES! Same nomadic I'm not sure I will change to OAP. The only advantage is UP. If you already have UP, I can't see any advantage. |
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Post by Banjo on May 22, 2019 11:07:16 GMT 7
My more paranoid thoughts create a scenario where if there's a crackdown on welfare portability in the future Age Pensioners will get a better deal than DSP recipients.
It's not as if they don't get a bit more icing on the cake already.
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Post by Denis-NFA on May 22, 2019 11:52:05 GMT 7
My more paranoid thoughts create a scenario where if there's a crackdown on welfare portability in the future Age Pensioners will get a better deal than DSP recipients. It's not as if they don't get a bit more icing on the cake already. LOL Same paranoia here Banjo. I'm about 7 months from being eligible for OAP so will see if they offer a direct conversion from DSP with UP. |
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Post by itsmylife08 on May 22, 2019 12:56:58 GMT 7
Update on previous post my friend only had DSP he did not have portability, so I guess what Banjo and bear said is correct .But at the same time I believe it could have been explained better to him.I know at the time I advised him against booking his tickets until everything was clarified.
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