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Post by itsmylife08 on May 22, 2019 21:41:59 GMT 7
Transfer between payments
For recipients who are transferred from one payment to another (e.g. transfers to Age under the SS(Admin)Act section 12) while they are overseas, SSAct sections 1220A, 1220B and 1221 apply as if the transfer occurred on the day on which the person departed Australia.
If transfer from one payment to another would be disadvantageous to the recipient, the transfer should not be made.
Example: A recipient overseas receiving entitled WidB pension, who is not paid at the proportional rate because their partner died while an Australian resident, should not be transferred to Age if that pension were to be subject to proportionalisation and they have less than 420 months AWLR.
Act reference: SSAct section 1220A Proportionality - age pension rate, section 1220B Proportionality - disability support pension rate for a severely disabled person, section 1221 Proportionality - wife pension and widow B pension rate for entitled persons
SS(Admin)Act section 12 Deemed claim in certain cases
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 21:51:16 GMT 7
Yes itsmylife08 , I've just been doing some research and I'll get back to you. It seems though, you can transfer if in an agreement country but; it seems you can also transfer from one payment to another from OS. I've just read on another forum of a gentleman who transferred from DSP to OAP whilst living OS and has been receiving it for a year without a problem. Your friend may have been dudded unfortunately. Cheers bear |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 5:10:57 GMT 7
Apologies itsmylife08 . The thread I was reading on the other forum was from 2008; there's been a lot of water under the bridge since then. Cheers bear As this link to portability shows only too well. This was for the changes brought into effect by the Howard Government in 2000.
The simplified approach to portability was guided by the principles of fairness, equity and the need for administrative simplicity. Instead of nine different portability periods, the simplified rules generally prescribed only two portability periods for social security payments. www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/international/policy/portability-of-australian-income-support-payments#10P.S. Would you please post the link to your OP, so the legislation can be scrutinized. It's possibly been done to death already; but hey, the government does multiple readings of proposed bills. We might get lucky and tease something out of it. |
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Post by latindancer on May 23, 2019 6:06:42 GMT 7
From that link :
26 week portability for temporary absences (Short-term)
"The introduction of a standard 26 week portability period was the most important aspect of the September 2000 changes. Selection of the length of the standard short-term portability period was based on research of the travelling patterns of social security customers. More than 85 per cent of all social security recipients who travelled overseas went for less than 26 weeks. Within the group that travelled, around 90 per cent travelled for up to 13 weeks. After the 13-week period the numbers of travellers rapidly declined. In addition, a survey commissioned by FaCS in 1999, showed that more than 80 per cent of respondents from a representative sample of the Australian population identified periods shorter than 26 weeks as the intended period of travel. A majority of respondents selected a portability period of up to 13 weeks".
Is this even logical ? It sounds idiotic and completely false logic.....
What about the other 10 % of people who want or need to go overseas for more than 13 weeks ? And hoiw many people are represented by that 10% ?? A LOT......
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 6:16:24 GMT 7
From that link : 26 week portability for temporary absences (Short-term) " The introduction of a standard 26 week portability period was the most important aspect of the September 2000 changes. Selection of the length of the standard short-term portability period was based on research of the travelling patterns of social security customers. More than 85 per cent of all social security recipients who travelled overseas went for less than 26 weeks. Within the group that travelled, around 90 per cent travelled for up to 13 weeks. After the 13-week period the numbers of travellers rapidly declined. In addition, a survey commissioned by FaCS in 1999, showed that more than 80 per cent of respondents from a representative sample of the Australian population identified periods shorter than 26 weeks as the intended period of travel. A majority of respondents selected a portability period of up to 13 weeks".Is this even logical ? It sounds idiotic and completely false logic..... What about the other 10 % of people who want or need to go overseas for more than 13 weeks ? And hoiw many people are represented by that 10% ?? A LOT...... I wouldn't think 10% is a lot latindancer, considering they're talking Social Security clients. It does suggest it's the figures they used to lower it to 13 weeks though. Cheers bear |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 6:28:36 GMT 7
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Post by nomadic on May 23, 2019 6:53:01 GMT 7
I am totally confused by all of the above which is not unusual. And I still have no idea why on the following. I originally left oz on DSP in 1999 and returned voluntarily once a year. I was under the impression I had either one-year portability or unlimited and never knew or cared either way. Then it did change to only 6 months portability at some time between 99 and 2003. But it didn't affect me and I did not even know about it at the time. Then it changed to 3 months in 2004 and I was told and affected. So why not the 6 months? All I can think of was that as I was manifest it did not affect me and it should not have affected me either when it went to 3 months as was proven after 8 years of total illogical madness/torture. But either their incompetence and/or their criminal cover-up after that for 8 years sees me even on the forum now. Like the change to 6 months, I should never have even been told or affected by the change to 3 months either. Hanks judgement day still awaits.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 7:01:02 GMT 7
I am totally confused by all of the above which is not unusual. And I still have no idea why on the following. I originally left oz on DSP in 1999 and returned voluntarily once a year. I was under the impression I had either one-year portability or unlimited and never knew or cared either way. Then it did change to only 6 months portability at some time between 99 and 2003. But it didn't affect me and I did not even know about it at the time. Then it changed to 3 months in 2004 and I was told and affected. So why not the 6 months? All I can think of was that as I was manifest it did not affect me and it should not have affected me either when it went to 3 months as was proven after 8 years of total illogical madness/torture. But either their incompetence and/or their criminal cover-up after that for 8 years sees me even on the forum now. Like the change to 6 months, I should never have even been told or affected by the change to 3 months either. Hanks judgement day still awaits. So where were you when the 2004 grandfathering occurred nomadic? In Australia? I believe it came into effect on 1 July. |
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Post by nomadic on May 23, 2019 7:32:56 GMT 7
You are spot on bear. I walked into a clink office in April 2004 and was told only 3 months from July 1st. I was never told another word. I only found out after I spoke to legal aid who told me the rules that should have left me on UP or at least one year. The rest is history as many here know but not finished yet, 15 years later. But how many others were in the same boat and most likely never knew about things then or even to this day. I suspect hundreds if not thousands.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 9:55:13 GMT 7
BCK IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS 18 years ago go could stay o/s 26 weeks then successive governments kept reducing it to 6 weeks now its 4 weeks, will they stop at 4 weeks or make it 2 weeks or not let us travel 0/s at all without losing out payments, why they they keep attacking 0/s travel? How long are old age pensioenrs allowed to stay 0/s
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Post by onemore on May 23, 2019 10:19:10 GMT 7
Wombat, being an old age pensioner, who never knocked on Centrelinks door all my life, I find it absurd yet not unbelievable from politicians that after 6 weeks overseas I lose some benefits, being the energy supplement, fair cop as I am not down under paying for power.
I don't even have to tell them I am leaving or when I come back, as soon as I go through immigration my details are automatically sent to satanlink.
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Post by ghostbuster on May 23, 2019 13:09:19 GMT 7
BCK IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS 18 years ago go could stay o/s 26 weeks then successive governments kept reducing it to 6 weeks now its 4 weeks, will they stop at 4 weeks or make it 2 weeks or not let us travel 0/s at all without losing out payments, why they they keep attacking 0/s travel? How long are old age pensioenrs allowed to stay 0/s OAPers are allowed to stay overseas indefinately. |
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Post by tasjo on May 23, 2019 13:15:03 GMT 7
BCK IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS 18 years ago go could stay o/s 26 weeks then successive governments kept reducing it to 6 weeks now its 4 weeks, will they stop at 4 weeks or make it 2 weeks or not let us travel 0/s at all without losing out payments, why they they keep attacking 0/s travel? How long are old age pensioenrs allowed to stay 0/s I believe it will depend if they classify DSP as a 'working' payment... Those on Newstart already get cut the day they leave Australia on the theory that they are no longer jobseeking. All the payments have different criteria unfortunately, but the one that in my opinion is most ludicrous is when someone on DSP travels with someone that receives carers payment for them. While it's not as big a population as those on DSP (not everyone who has a carer receives DSP due to the different criteria) but as it currently stands the person on carers receives 6 weeks paid overseas as long as they are with the person they care for... If that person is on DSP then their payment cuts out at 28 days. |
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Post by itsmylife08 on May 23, 2019 13:52:30 GMT 7
bear the above link is not the one I accessed but it does give some insight into the legislation we referred to to earlier. Cheers Itsa |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 17:38:01 GMT 7
bear the above link is not the one I accessed but it does give some insight into the legislation we referred to to earlier. Cheers Itsa Cheers Itsa  |
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