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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 16:10:09 GMT 7
And yet only yesterday it was Lambie's intention, along with her cross bench mates to support the income management, and that's what started this thread. It ain't over till the fat lady sings......guess that'll be after Lambie's exploratory visits to trial sites ends in six months times. Cheers bear
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Post by Denis-NFA on Sept 9, 2019 16:13:52 GMT 7
I would be surprised if the big 4 banks are not having a quiet word in all the little politicians piggy ears.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 16:22:13 GMT 7
I would be surprised if the big 4 banks are not having a quiet word in all the little politicians piggy ears. The big 4 piggy banks missing out to an upstart payments company, when they already hold the accounts of all government payment recipients. I think you're into it.
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Post by prodius on Sept 9, 2019 16:40:36 GMT 7
I now believe everything they are doing is based on their sick religious ideology. And nothing worries me more than fanatics and even moreso religious fanatics. They have an even bigger picture in mind in my opinion. No less dangerous than the worst history has thrown up. Nothing they are doing is based on logic or facts, only fiction. For around 40 years now they have slowly changed the Australian culture. Slowly but surely it has decayed from decency to money in so many ways. And is only getting far worse by the day. Must be Monday morning. GGGGRRRROOOWWWLLLL. It's prosperity theology but goes completely against their bible.
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Post by rainyday on Sept 9, 2019 18:01:37 GMT 7
I now believe everything they are doing is based on their sick religious ideology. And nothing worries me more than fanatics and even moreso religious fanatics. They have an even bigger picture in mind in my opinion. No less dangerous than the worst history has thrown up. Nothing they are doing is based on logic or facts, only fiction. For around 40 years now they have slowly changed the Australian culture. Slowly but surely it has decayed from decency to money in so many ways. And is only getting far worse by the day. Must be Monday morning. GGGGRRRROOOWWWLLLL. It's prosperity theology but goes completely against their bible. Oppressing the poor, disabled, disadvantaged and the widows is definitely against Jesus' teachings. Jesus loved the poor, He didn't isolate them, but ate with them. Not all cults are teaching the truth, yet some call themselves Christians, but are following false teachings. So true prodius.
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Post by nomadic on Sept 9, 2019 19:03:57 GMT 7
Although he wants national rollout of the card, those overseas on IP can rest assured that this wont affect them, which i clarified a couple of years ago to some very confused centrelink and finally a senior centrelink officer. The same would apply when using tour 28 days portability. Your full payment would be available as cash withdrawl for that 28 days. It is simply impossible for them to do at an international level. It is however dissapointing that they do not advize this. For example there are most probably people in the trial sites who want to use there 28 days or IP who have concluded due to lack of clarity by centrelink that they will only be able to spend 20% of their payment whilst overseas and have subsequently abandoned the idea of using the portability time. Another centrelink fail. While you are correct. Is there anybody on DSP on it already? I thought it was only for those on Newstart in the areas where it is already used. If so then are those on OAP pension on it also?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 22:20:26 GMT 7
Although he wants national rollout of the card, those overseas on IP can rest assured that this wont affect them, which i clarified a couple of years ago to some very confused centrelink and finally a senior centrelink officer. The same would apply when using tour 28 days portability. Your full payment would be available as cash withdrawl for that 28 days. It is simply impossible for them to do at an international level. It is however dissapointing that they do not advize this. For example there are most probably people in the trial sites who want to use there 28 days or IP who have concluded due to lack of clarity by centrelink that they will only be able to spend 20% of their payment whilst overseas and have subsequently abandoned the idea of using the portability time. Another centrelink fail. While you are correct. Is there anybody on DSP on it already? I thought it was only for those on Newstart in the areas where it is already used. If so then are those on OAP pension on it also? I believe people in Ceduna and the Goldfields on DSP have the card nomadic , and I've seen it on a Centrelink page; that OAPers can choose to opt in. But why would they, I ask myself. That's part of the whole problem and the divide and conquer thing; every trial area seems to have a different cohort with different rules, so it hard to say for any certainty who's on what where. A dog's breakfast meant to disrupt and confuse. Cheers bear
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Post by prodius on Sept 10, 2019 2:55:25 GMT 7
It's prosperity theology but goes completely against their bible. Oppressing the poor, disabled, disadvantaged and the widows is definitely against Jesus' teachings. Jesus loved the poor, He didn't isolate them, but ate with them. Not all cults are teaching the truth, yet some call themselves Christians, but are following false teachings. So true prodius. Absolutely. It's about the outcasts. The majority of them seem to throw their 100% support on right-wing politics and capitalism imbedded with it. They say it's their responsibility to look after the downtrodden (which it is) it justifies the tens of billions churches around Australia are generating on themselves increasing each year tax free as so called charities. While oppressing asylum seekers etc. It's very strange seeing their own religion warns them with hell on their judgement "I was naked you did not clothe me, I was a stranger you did not welcome me, get away from me you people". They twist things and bend truths, It's heresy and hypocrisy but people are happy with them being re-elected in governments, so thats the main thing.
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Post by nomadic on Sept 10, 2019 6:38:03 GMT 7
All the worst despots in history believed they were right in their own minds as they butchered millions. This mob is no different. They think they will go to heaven because of what they are doing and like all religions, we all think differently and we all can't be right but nothing i am more certain of in my own mind is that hell awaits them. Dangerous times ahead unless they are voted out next time for certain. But Hitler was popular until the end. So only time will tell.
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Post by prodius on Sept 10, 2019 6:58:59 GMT 7
All the worst despots in history believed they were right in their own minds as they butchered millions. This mob is no different. They think they will go to heaven because of what they are doing and like all religions, we all think differently and we all can't be right but nothing i am more certain of in my own mind is that hell awaits them. Dangerous times ahead unless they are voted out next time for certain. But Hitler was popular until the end. So only time will tell. Sadly, this is true.. They think they are right, but are prisoners of their own ideology.
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Post by paddy on Sept 10, 2019 7:20:16 GMT 7
In that article of bunyip 's they state that "The senator said she would see results firsthand at trial sites over the next year before throwing support behind the national rollout." There could be a lot of water to run under the bridge before it is actually adopted. Have recently discovered Lambie will oppose even the trial. I noticed also Morrison said under 30s group would be the ones on a national rollout. Despicable to even have this policy.
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Post by paddy on Sept 10, 2019 7:21:15 GMT 7
Get on UP now and get out befor the roll out the problem is applying for UP theres a risk or losing your DSP for people like me who got their DSP before 2012. l think morriscum said the welfare card might just be for people under 35, as l am in my mid 40's l am hoping that's the case but l'm not trusting he wont just raise the age at a later time Actually he said under 30s which while that may serve relief for some it shouldn't completely. No one deserves to have this inflicted on them. Public pressure can work and so far is starting to.
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Post by paddy on Sept 10, 2019 7:21:53 GMT 7
And yet only yesterday it was Lambie's intention, along with her cross bench mates to support the income management, and that's what started this thread. It ain't over till the fat lady sings......guess that'll be after Lambie's exploratory visits to trial sites ends in six months times. Cheers bear She should go there unaided by the govt to get the true feedback.
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Post by santaclaus on Sept 10, 2019 8:27:19 GMT 7
Hi all, I rang Jacqui Lambie's office this morning (10/09/2019) and spoke with "Gemma". We spoke at length even though she could only give me basic information. Which came down to two main points. 1. JL supports the roll out of the cashless welfare card to other areas and 2. The rollout did NOT include those on the DSP or aged pension. I did discuss the fact that even though I don't know how legislation works, once this passes the upper house, what's to stop the Govt from amending it to include everyone on welfare? I have also posted a link on JL's Facebook page (under a different name as I have major trust issues) that has a link to the St Vinnies website which lays out a lot of facts. I hope this post helps to calm some. The more people who contact her office either by phone or email (or her Facebook page), the better in my opinion. If you live in Tasmania, then that's a huge bonus. I intend to write to her. I will post again once I get a reply. If you want to contact her: senator.lambie@aph.gov.au or 0364313112
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Post by bunyip on Sept 10, 2019 8:29:55 GMT 7
yes prime minister moronscum said the card is for people below their 30's in a national rollout, but that doesn't mean the wont just extend it to all ages at a later stage, so l'm still worried about it being in my 40's, he seems obsessd with attacking the welfare system , and even if its not for DSP's nothing stopping them just extending it to DSP at a later stage. so we shouldn't just relax and think it wont be for us, we need to protest this evil card and all attacks on the welfare system by this evil corrupt fascist government
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