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Post by prodius on Sept 17, 2019 5:20:16 GMT 7
The first thing that comes to my mind is; "Was it a paid for story?" The second thing is; "Why do the Frankston locals receive $2076 a month in disability support pension payments and an additional $138 a fortnight in rental assistance." The media grubs certainly are doing their bit, as per usual. As an aside, I'd say ol' mate doesn't really have a raging habit; he looks in too good of condition. The bugs aren't under his skin yet either, by the looks. Cheers bear He was likely paid to act, to follow a certain script, in order to influence public opinion. Most likely.. Seems he was living in squalor, with homemade bongs laying around and rotting food. Obviously not on DSP for ADHD. There's a lot more going on that has been purposely suppressed. People will make their own conclusions though and ramifications follow through.
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Post by mspurple on Sept 17, 2019 6:26:57 GMT 7
That whole story seems a little off. If he is capable of working then how would he have met the requirements for DSP?
It all seems a little odd to me that anyone who is on DSP without actually needing it would openly tell the media they are capable of working and are just using the system because it is easier.
I can not help but wonder how much of this story is BS.
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Post by bunyip on Sept 17, 2019 6:45:21 GMT 7
Apartantly ACA and channel nine organise fundraisers for the liberal party and mates with the liberals, this segment is pure liberal propaganda to get public support for the national rollout of the welfare card and drug testing and probably more spending cut backs on the welfare system and ' welfare reform' to get it through the parliament, for Gods sake even Morrioson appeared on the segment , might as well been a liberal TV add . Either the so called DSP drug addict was some sort of paid actor reading a script or ACA spent months searching for the worst possible example of person on the DSP to use as propaganda and to say all people on welfare are like him www.news.com.au/finance/work/ice-user-admits-to-using-welfare-payments-to-buy-drugs/news-story/d291fae5b757b7b1537f83ee1143131dWelfare recipient Adrian uses taxpayer funds to support his drug habit. Welfare recipient Adrian says he’s “not proud” of spending taxpayer funds on drugs, including cannabis and ice, but he’ll continue to do it. The self-described “bum” told A Current Affair he is capable of working but prefers the lifestyle he is afforded via Centrelink payments. “I’m a bum. I lay on that spot there, watching that TV there," he told the program, pointing around an apartment littered with rubbish. “I can’t say I’m proud of it, but I can say I do it.” The 30-year-old Melbourne man who has ADHD is unapologetic about the way he spends his money, but drug users could soon have their Centrelink payments taken from them.` The Federal Government last week revived legislation that could see welfare recipients drug tested before they can receive payments. A trial of the controversial laws would take place in three regions — Canterbury-Bankstown in NSW, Logan in Queensland and Mandurah in Western Australia — and recipients would be selected at random, The Guardian reports. Adrian told A Current Affair “you can budget for anything” if you do it properly. He said he wasn’t sorry because it would achieve nothing. “I could say I’m sorry, but it wouldn’t really mean anything because tomorrow I’m going to get an Uber out and get more drugs. Get what I’m saying? What does a ‘sorry’ stop?” Prime Minister Scott Morrison told ACA he wants to help people who need it, but there is a limit to his generosity. “Welfare has to be fair to those who receive it, but it also has to be fair to those who pay for it, which is the taxpayer,” Mr Morrison said.
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Post by nomadic on Sept 17, 2019 7:15:31 GMT 7
I muse to watch the hilarious comedy Frontline years ago which can still be seen on youtube. Again like Yes Minister they turn out not to be comedies after all these years but factual truths on the real world. Frontline was about a fictional TV current affairs show and how they manipulated stories. Very funny at the time. Maybe real life now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 16:37:48 GMT 7
Yeah I call it BS & LNP propaganda....anyone can spin a yarn and say they're on DSP; we here know, better than most, they don't just hand over deeds of grants willy nilly. In fact in today's environment they hardly hand them out at all, if ever without being ordered to by AAT 1-2.
The Paxton's revisited.......it got the smell of Johnny Howard all over it. Cheers bear.
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Post by mulloway on Sept 18, 2019 17:41:07 GMT 7
I remember The Paxtons, the same anti-welfare sentiment also existed in 1996. But not to the same extremes as today. "The basic theory that the mainstream media are promoting, through the Paxton story, is that there are many "dole bludgers" who are not willing to work and that they should be forced to do so by cutting them off the dole, which is already well below the poverty line. This is complete nonsense and absolutely outrageous for the simple reason that the jobs are not there. I repeat, slowly: there ... are ... not ... enough ... jobs ... for ... those ... who ... want ... them." www.greenleft.org.au/content/why-paxtons-were-framed
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Post by Denis-NFA on Sept 18, 2019 20:02:23 GMT 7
the same anti-welfare sentiment also existed in 1996. mullowayAnd I know for a fact it existed in 1986 and probably 1976. It started when unemployment began to rise from the 1960's which was when the idea of cutting tariffs began to percolate higher and higher among the clever dicks that know best. So manufacturers saw the writing on the wall and started shifting their plants to low cost countries that are now called ASEAN countries and then China! All the while as jobs disappeared from Australia the unemployed people were branded as bludgers and then dole bludgers and now their absolute slavery is on show in that they are called drug addicted, irresponsible money managing losers! We will see what happens. PS Both so called Liberal and National Party and Labor Party made this so kindly stop the crap that one side is better than the other! PPS Australia's true working class for at least the last 15-20 years were the poor slaves of Marxist China. PPPS Ask me what I really think of the system that can produce the scum that control us!
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Post by tasjo on Sept 18, 2019 20:47:13 GMT 7
I'll try and find it if I can but there is a form to exit the CDC and it 'appears' to be quite straightforward...
While I'm not a fan of the card in any way, if it was to be introduced the next step to familiarise yourself with would be the exit process.
Mass exit and appeals through the AAT...
I do agree with Denis, no single party has been any better or worse in terms of welfare 'reform'... The impairment tables and changes to DSP portability I believe we're both Labour initiatives.
Has there been any further position from the labour party on where they stand on the CDC?
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Post by Trevros on Sept 19, 2019 11:37:21 GMT 7
Denis,
The writing was on the wall for this country the moment Whitlam signed the Lima Declaration in 1975.
Bear,
It took me 18 months, 2 knock backs and an AAT appeal to get the DSP in 2012. Two years later it took one specialist's report (insurance company specialist I might add) to get not only my super but also the insurance tied to the super and you know what it is like getting money out of insurance companies.
As for the card it's just the first step towards a cashless society and negative interest rates. Eric Blair's 1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
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Post by tasjo on Sept 19, 2019 15:04:58 GMT 7
My experience was similar Trevros - no issues with insurance (other than workers comp but they are a different beast) and super but over 18 months and up to AAT level 2 before DSP was granted.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 15:48:36 GMT 7
1. Absolutely True, no second thoughts about it from me. 2. Ditto. 3. Please confine and continue that discussion to/in the PM section. Cheers bear
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 16:14:00 GMT 7
I'll try and find it if I can but there is a form to exit the CDC and it 'appears' to be quite straightforward... While I'm not a fan of the card in any way, if it was to be introduced the next step to familiarise yourself with would be the exit process. Mass exit and appeals through the AAT... I do agree with Denis, no single party has been any better or worse in terms of welfare 'reform'... The impairment tables and changes to DSP portability I believe we're both Labour initiatives.
Has there been any further position from the labour party on where they stand on the CDC? As was Robo Debt in it's first incarnation; albeit with human oversight. Labor certainly have nothing to hang their hat on or anything to crow about in this whole debacle dating back several decades. It was all just charades..... it's our turn....now it's your turn; so just stick with the approved agenda which was feeding mushrooms to get to this End Game. I'm just not 100% certain they've thought it through. Like all wild animals, the human animal can also be, oh so unpredictable when they're backed up against a wall, cold, hungry, frightened, nothing left to lose but your soul/life. Perhaps the human condition has changed through socio-economic-political engineering for some, maybe even for most; but for the rest of us that have never fitted the mould, allowed ourselves to be pigeonholed or simply fallen through the cracks..... seriously, they have NFBI what that cohort could be capable of, in the extreme event of our personal survival. Cheers bear
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Post by santaclaus on Sept 19, 2019 17:18:57 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 17:45:41 GMT 7
Thanks heaps for that @santaclaus. That post is now a locked sticky thread right at the top of the General Board. Cheers bear
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Post by rainyday on Sept 20, 2019 16:04:31 GMT 7
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