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Post by rainyday on Oct 20, 2019 7:54:03 GMT 7
Hi em, welcome to the forum, and sorry to hear about your dsp not being approved yet. I am also in a similar boat.
You mentioned that you still have to get the dsp first before applying for NDIS funding. I just wanted to let you know that I was informed that people don't need to be on a DSP for funding through NDIS. You can apply for NDIS even though you are not in receipt of a dsp.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 9:01:50 GMT 7
I cannot find a definitive answer to this! The more l look at NDIS stuff, the more I see it as some sort of scam on the disabled. Why? Because there are two huge government departments involved; NDIA & NDIS. One approves funding or not, a la Centrelink; the other approves services, which are provided by private providers. Perhaps dementia is slowly taking its toll on me; because I find all of the blurbs poorly defined, they look overly simplistic and quite frankly, even opaque. They certainly make my eyes glaze over, and the horror stories from clients and prospective client's would seem to bear this out. There have already been prosecutions on service providers; how long before clients are caught up as well? |
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Post by mspurple on Oct 20, 2019 10:00:00 GMT 7
You definitely do not need to be on DSP for NDIS funding so I have found out.
I have a family member who works full time and now needs a cochlear ear implant..... he will pay for the implant part itself and surgery but NDIS is funding all the specialised smoke detectors and other items needed for the implant to be of total use for him.
Hope this helps with the question of needing to be on DSP for NDIS funding.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 10:51:17 GMT 7
You definitely do not need to be on DSP for NDIS funding so I have found out. I have a family member who works full time and now needs a cochlear ear implant..... he will pay for the implant part itself and surgery but NDIS is funding all the specialised smoke detectors and other items needed for the implant to be of total use for him. Hope this helps with the question of needing to be on DSP for NDIS funding. OK ladies fair enough; it should be easier to get the information publicly then, imho! It seems to be run like some sort of clandestine organisation, where it's not what you know but who you now and where you go. I find it all, slightly bizarre. Cheersbear  |
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Post by rainyday on Oct 20, 2019 11:21:06 GMT 7
You can only be considered eligible for NDIS funding up to the age of 65, but if funding is granted then a person can still be assessed under NDIS after age 65 (if NDIS is still in operation).
However over the age of 65 if a person hasn't gone the NDIS route, then they get assessed under aged care.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 12:20:40 GMT 7
Do you know if that includes someone who doesn't change over to OAP, but stays on DSP rainyday ? Reason for question; because I know people on DSP who say they won't change over, just in case they need NDIS later on. What a silly question that is ; since you don't have to be on DSP to get NDIS. So the cut off at least, it's purely age related? If that's the case, it confirms my thoughts on just what a hotch potch it really is! Cheers bear P.S. We need someone who has NDIS expertise on here. I can't seem to separate it from DSP because of the name; whereas they don't seem to be dependent on each.other in any way at all. I guess that's the two tier system that was being talked about in the shake up, way back when. |
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Post by rainyday on Oct 20, 2019 14:40:02 GMT 7
Do you know if that includes someone who doesn't change over to OAP, but stays on DSP rainyday ? Reason for question; because I know people on DSP who say they won't change over, just in case they need NDIS later on. What a silly question that is ; since you don't have to be on DSP to get NDIS. So the cut off at least, it's purely age related? If that's the case, it confirms my thoughts on just what a hotch potch it really is! Cheers bear P.S. We need someone who has NDIS expertise on here. I can't seem to separate it from DSP because of the name; whereas they don't seem to be dependent on each.other in any way at all. I guess that's the two tier system that was being talked about in the shake up, way back when. If the person gets funding through NDIS it will continue (but need new plan/submissions every year or so, not sure on the timeline though) if the person doesn't change over to the OAP. If the person chooses to change over to OAP then they will lose the NDIS funding, and then be assessed under aged care funding. I don't know which is better? Would the funding they better under OAP or not? That I don't know. We need an expert here on all the areas...… NDIS, OAP and DSP. |
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Post by rainyday on Oct 20, 2019 15:04:39 GMT 7
The expert should have expertise on all three areas.  That way we know the differences and implications of changing/not changing to another benefit. Applying/not applying for NDIS etc. If the government are suggesting people move from DSP to OAP then there must be some benefit for the government and some detriment for the client, that is the way I see it! |
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Post by Denis-NFA on Oct 20, 2019 15:14:12 GMT 7
The expert should have expertise on all three areas. That way we know the differences and implications of changing/not changing to another benefit. Applying/not applying for NDIS etc. LOL. The best experts I know of are on this site. Truly. Fair enough the originating focus was on DSP and portability but there have been OAP members coming to the site and some of us DSP members are soon at OAP age eligibility. I think NDIS is another area that probably needs it's own pinned thread so we can put the information we find, like some of the above. |
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Post by rainyday on Oct 20, 2019 15:45:07 GMT 7
The expert should have expertise on all three areas. That way we know the differences and implications of changing/not changing to another benefit. Applying/not applying for NDIS etc. LOL. The best experts I know of are on this site. Truly. Fair enough the originating focus was on DSP and portability but there have been OAP members coming to the site and some of us DSP members are soon at OAP age eligibility. I think NDIS is another area that probably needs it's own pinned thread so we can put the information we find, like some of the above. The experts are here, yes, but just an expert in all three areas rolled into the one person. Because I know that if a person gets some funding through NDIS they may perhaps not be entitled to receive a certain allowance they were getting before, and whether the funding through NDIS that is received will actually outweigh the benefit they may lose on the dsp. I am learning a lot on this forum. I now know that if a person receiving a dsp wants to study then best to stay on dsp and not change to OAP when time comes as will lose the education supplement. There may be other things I am not aware of yet! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 16:00:10 GMT 7
Only if some member has a specific personal request on NDIS I think @rainday. The other two areas are pretty well covered, thanks to tasjo 's most recent experiences with all the new rules and AAT and other members extensive prior knowledge of DSP & OAP. The biggest thing with the latter two is the extensive publicly available information. As far as the renewing every year or which course is better for funding; I'll see what I can suss out. Just don't hold your breath; cheers bear. |
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Post by rainyday on Oct 20, 2019 16:13:02 GMT 7
P.S. We need someone who has NDIS expertise on here. I can't seem to separate it from DSP because of the name; whereas they don't seem to be dependent on each.other in any way at all. I guess that's the two tier system that was being talked about in the shake up, way back when. They are intertwined I think, that was why I mentioned the expert needs to have expertise in all three areas in regards to the question about dsp / versus oap. |
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Post by em on Nov 6, 2019 5:11:58 GMT 7
Hi em, welcome to the forum, and sorry to hear about your dsp not being approved yet. I am also in a similar boat. You mentioned that you still have to get the dsp first before applying for NDIS funding. I just wanted to let you know that I was informed that people don't need to be on a DSP for funding through NDIS. You can apply for NDIS even though you are not in receipt of a dsp. Hi rainydayThank you i only just saw this post. Someone told me you are more likely to be accepted if you already have DSP. I am going to apply for NDIS but I just found out that to get an Occupational Therapist to write a report for NDIS and do an assessment is about $500-1000 (depends on how long they take and how complex your case is) so I am not sure I will have much success with NDIS either |
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Post by em on Nov 6, 2019 5:17:02 GMT 7
Do you know if that includes someone who doesn't change over to OAP, but stays on DSP rainyday ? Reason for question; because I know people on DSP who say they won't change over, just in case they need NDIS later on. What a silly question that is ; since you don't have to be on DSP to get NDIS. So the cut off at least, it's purely age related? If that's the case, it confirms my thoughts on just what a hotch potch it really is! Cheers bear P.S. We need someone who has NDIS expertise on here. I can't seem to separate it from DSP because of the name; whereas they don't seem to be dependent on each.other in any way at all. I guess that's the two tier system that was being talked about in the shake up, way back when. Where my Mum works they have NDIS teams come and talk to them about how to get their clients onto NDIS. As for managers apparently there is only one person who answers all the calls and questions by health professionals for NDIS in our state. They aren’t registered as an NDIS manager either and their office isn’t so you would never be able to find them. They are just a name and a number. |
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Post by em on Nov 6, 2019 5:24:25 GMT 7
You definitely do not need to be on DSP for NDIS funding so I have found out. I have a family member who works full time and now needs a cochlear ear implant..... he will pay for the implant part itself and surgery but NDIS is funding all the specialised smoke detectors and other items needed for the implant to be of total use for him. Hope this helps with the question of needing to be on DSP for NDIS funding. OK ladies fair enough; it should be easier to get the information publicly then, imho! It seems to be run like some sort of clandestine organisation, where it's not what you know but who you now and where you go. I find it all, slightly bizarre. Cheersbear I have only been able to gather information gradually over time through Facebook groups and through my mum. Nothing is out there everything is purposely hidden so you can only get info you need for this process through word of mouth. As for being accepted or rejected onto the ndis.. it’s just the lottery of who you get assessing you. Supposedly it is easier though if you get approved for DSP because you can then prove that you have significant foundational impairment but not always. There is a girl with the same illnesses as me and she uses a wheelchair and an assistance dog to help her with the heart conditions. She is on DSP and she still got knocked back from NDIS. |
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That way we know the differences and implications of changing/not changing to another benefit. Applying/not applying for NDIS etc.