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Post by onemore on Oct 21, 2019 7:18:13 GMT 7
Not so long ago I mentioned that I was cynical about the government reviewing social services like pensions etc, to the point where nothing good comes from a government department reviewing something.
So here we are with the bastards suggesting that the pension supplement be scrapped altogether for pensioners out of the country for more than 6 weeks, I honestly thought that they were going to reduce it to 4 weeks out, maybe too soon to call that one.
Then there is other beauty for motorists to pay $5 to enter the city, just like Singapore did all those years ago, I bet a committee of public servants went to Singapore, business class of course and stayed at the Shangra-La on that fact finding mission.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 7:33:44 GMT 7
I did read about the entering the city tax onemore , and think your analogy is most probably correct. How anal is that word eh? If you have to go to the city, you have to go; and if the car is your only option, sorry, why not call it for what it is......a blatant in your face tax grab. www.news.com.au › economy Web results Sydney traffic tax: New report calls for congestion charge in CBD - News.com.au 7 days ago · She believes a charge for people entering the CBDs of Australia's largest cities in the ... a six-figure salary - the median income for a Sydney driver to the CBD is nearly $2500 a ... I was under the impression we lost the supplement after six weeks already.....I did, about $100 a fortnight! Or is this about cutting it altogether? Cheers bear When you leave Australia for less than 6 weeks Your Age Pension rate normally won’t change. When you leave Australia for more than 6 weeks both your: Pension Supplement will drop to the basic rate Energy Supplement will stop. www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/services/centrelink/age-pension/managing-your-payment/if-you-travel-outside-australia
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 9:17:40 GMT 7
Yes onemore , it's about cutting it altogether; here's the Hansard on the consideration of the bill. Not sure what that means in terms of a pay cut. I'm not sure when I may get around to digesting it; have visitors coming this week. I do believe the hullabaloo is all about cutting the supplement entirely; thereby cutting our money over here even more. I'm not sure of the difference. Anyone wants to check it out, be my guest. Cheers bear
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 18:41:49 GMT 7
The Social Services Legislation Amendment (Overseas Welfare Recipients Integrity Program) Bill 2019 seems to be primarily about providing a "Proof of Life" document after an overseas Pensioner turns 80 y.o.; every two years.The proposal as to how it will be achieved looks and sounds straightforward enough. With all of the new technology, considering Centrelink now has voice recognition technology; a simple phone call could do it, but I guess paranoia over rorting would prevail using that method. If people want to rort though, it won't be too hard; especially if the government entities mentioned below don't inform them in due course. They seem to think there are 6000 of us expired, still collecting the pension, and are blaming family for not advising Centrelink. My understanding is our embassies or consulates are advised of a death of a national. This then begs the question; if Embassy/Consular Officials advise the family, why don't they also advise Centrelink at the same time? Afterall they're all quite chummy when we come & go through immigration. I guess that's too much like "common sense"! Reading the document definitely shows the like they sound of their own voices and have conflagurated sense of self worth, IMHO. Blah, blah, blah! Below is the only mention I can see, re completely dropping the supplement all together; so for now we may be off the hook. Cheers bear "The Liberals still have cuts to the pension in the budget. The Liberals want to completely take away the pension supplement for pensioners who go overseas for more than six weeks. This will see around $120 million ripped from the pockets of pensioners." www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Hansard/Hansard_Display?bid=chamber/hansardr/8096f994-14e5-464f-8d55-7ade3acf9c32/&sid=0260
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Post by nomadic on Oct 21, 2019 19:09:24 GMT 7
Do you mean even if someone goes away for 7 weeks they will never get it back again ever?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 20:21:14 GMT 7
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Post by Denis-NFA on Oct 21, 2019 20:32:17 GMT 7
Do you mean even if someone goes away for 7 weeks they will never get it back again ever? nomadic and bearDon't forget we receive a basic pension supplement of $23.90 per fortnight and if the scum take that away then they are reducing our pensions. The conberra filth have so stuffed the Australian economy that we overseas have lost about 12 - 15% of the local in Country value in a very short time. And as I have said before the Conberra (and hat tip to OP of this) scum are all in The System and it doesn't matter if they are labs, libs, nats or greens.
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Post by nomadic on Oct 22, 2019 6:22:27 GMT 7
We are going over very old ground here as we have all known for years that by being outside OZ we save them heaps. No supplement, no rental assistance, we get our own medical and dental. How many thousands have I saved them in dental alone over the years? Then they contradict themselves also. They want my tax via the TAB but then they want me on the card so I can't use it also.
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Post by nomadic on Oct 22, 2019 6:59:47 GMT 7
Gee bear, politicians talk more than me as I just read a lot of your hansard link. Two things from it. Centrelink relying on family and friends to notify them of death. More incompetence. The last thing I would think of is telling them if a friend of mine went. Secondly, it is very clear that they are totally opposed to all welfare of any kind and are trying to lower it at least, by stealth if not blatantly. As mentioned before I spoke to 2 American far-right-wing missionaries a while back who were totally against welfare. Really smells of Morrisons strange religious ideology to me also. All anti-Australian culture from the good old days. Greed for the rich and nothing for the poor. Dangerous times in more ways than one with these madmen in power. But as you say will the others be any better in at least reversing what the nutters do? Although Rudd did give single pensioners a decent rise to meet world standards years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 7:06:41 GMT 7
We are going over very old ground here as we have all known for years that by being outside OZ we save them heaps. No supplement, no rental assistance, we get our own medical and dental. How many thousands have I saved them in dental alone over the years? Then they contradict themselves also. They want my tax via the TAB but then they want me on the card so I can't use it also. I think it's imperative to keep going over old ground in the current political climate, to keep things front & centre. It's the government who keep dredging this stuff back up! The two year rule is still in force for people returning to apply for OAP. That's an important issue that needs rescinding as well. Banjo do you have any recent news on that please? Cheers bear
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Post by nomadic on Oct 22, 2019 7:30:45 GMT 7
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. The fact that we are repeating ourselves means nothing has changed. Now if only we can hit politicians on the head with a sledge hammer maybe it will. REPEAT- they are not human beings in the real sense. Only a very low subspecies. Only marginally lower than the media who ignore things also.
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Post by Banjo on Oct 22, 2019 12:20:22 GMT 7
We are going over very old ground here as we have all known for years that by being outside OZ we save them heaps. No supplement, no rental assistance, we get our own medical and dental. How many thousands have I saved them in dental alone over the years? Then they contradict themselves also. They want my tax via the TAB but then they want me on the card so I can't use it also. I think it's imperative to keep going over old ground in the current political climate, to keep things front & centre. It's the government who keep dredging this stuff back up! The two year rule is still in force for people returning to apply for OAP. That's an important issue that needs rescinding as well. Banjo do you have any recent news on that please? Cheers bear I thought I brought you up to speed on this but looks like I didn't. I've been advised to leave it alone, at least while the current government considers it holds a mandate on whatever it likes. Drawing attention to the more obscure "living overseas" issues may attract unwanted scrutiny from the wrong people so I've put it on the back burner.
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Post by mspurple on Oct 22, 2019 13:40:53 GMT 7
We are going over very old ground here as we have all known for years that by being outside OZ we save them heaps. No supplement, no rental assistance, we get our own medical and dental. How many thousands have I saved them in dental alone over the years? Then they contradict themselves also. They want my tax via the TAB but then they want me on the card so I can't use it also. You could not have saved them thousands in dental nomadic in even ten years because you can not get that much work done in one visit and it takes you forever to get an appointment with a free ($30 fee usually) dentist....like two years wait in most places and they are only allowed to do one tooth (job) per appointment on government funding. They changed the access to dental services when that dumb red head woman was in charge of stuffing everyone over!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 15:59:48 GMT 7
I think it's imperative to keep going over old ground in the current political climate, to keep things front & centre. It's the government who keep dredging this stuff back up! The two year rule is still in force for people returning to apply for OAP. That's an important issue that needs rescinding as well. Banjo do you have any recent news on that please? Cheers bear I thought I brought you up to speed on this but looks like I didn't. I've been advised to leave it alone, at least while the current government considers it holds a mandate on whatever it likes. Drawing attention to the more obscure "living overseas" issues may attract unwanted scrutiny from the wrong people so I've put it on the back burner. Yes Banjo you did.....I simply forgot. Thanks for the reminder. If they've got a bee in their bonnet already about six thousand of us allegedly pushing up daisies, and wanting to reduce payments even further, letting sleeping dogs lie sounds most sensible indeed. Cheers bear
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Post by nomadic on Oct 22, 2019 18:51:58 GMT 7
I meant what I have done here would have cost 10 times as much in Oz and the gov dentist still gets paid heaps by the gov even if I only pay $20.00. Just had an implant done here for $500.00 which would have been 2K in Oz at least. And every time I go to the doc in Oz medibank pays for it. So we save them heaps by being here. You would think they would encourage people to leave.
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