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Post by firefly on Jul 9, 2020 8:34:25 GMT 7
[/quote]Not necessarily........since your condition has deterioratied substantially recently I think proving FDTS could have also been a stumbling block at the current time. Because mental illness fluctuates, proving it's stabilized can be difficult. That takes time and health records to prove it's stabilized; within a certain range. The longer it's in the range the easier it will be for your doctor's to say it's definitely going to last for more than five years. It will also give credence to hours you can work to meet criteria. Something to consider for the future...........all the best; cheers bear[/quote]
So do u think I could ask the doctor (who has been treating me for 12 years) but still won't write me off for 5+ to maybe reconsider by looking at my illness from day one and seeing the decline or noting the amount of time spent stabilised? Maybe then he could see the bigger picture and consider the request for the NFWC5+ document? Worth a shot still?
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Post by bear on Jul 9, 2020 8:56:11 GMT 7
You could certainly ask.....however due to your most recent episode, I think it would show you are still in decline i.e. due to the fact you now have a live in carer for the unforeseeable future, have had to reassess your studies and stop part time work. To me this does not show stabilization, but rather decline in a series of steps over twelve years. If you have no further major episodes in two years and still have the same degree of disability, I think any reasonable medical professionals could write you off for five years.
There may also be directives to the medical profession, NOT to write people off under a certain age. Also; consider giving copies of your most recent documents to Centrelink, not the originals. If you have originals there can be no doubt on the veracity of what's on file. Well there can be doubt; on their part, but you'll have the proof. Cheers bear
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Post by tasjo on Jul 9, 2020 16:19:07 GMT 7
Firefly - I have a post 2012 JCA but without a FDTS mental health impairment and it does show the points ratings so my best guess in your case would be that protection of your mental health is why you cannot see the table ratings.
I think something you should consider is getting the UP application form... I cant remember the actual wording for the 5yrs 0-2 capacity, but from memory its not as strict as being 'written off'
All of the legislation has interpretation to go with it and the jca 'attempts' to apply the legislation effectively. If they dont you have the right to review and appeal any decision made... armed with FOI requests often decisions can be changed. Squeaky wheel and all that.
If you possibly can, once you have the application form, seek some assistance from a mental health advocate... I cant remember which state you are in but I feel it would be a great help to you.
You just wont know until you put a claim in, and there will be a risk involved, but potentially an outcome that gives you significantly more freedom to go overseas.
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Post by firefly on Jul 11, 2020 16:23:46 GMT 7
Firefly - I have a post 2012 JCA but without a FDTS mental health impairment and it does show the points ratings so my best guess in your case would be that protection of your mental health is why you cannot see the table ratings. I think something you should consider is getting the UP application form... I cant remember the actual wording for the 5yrs 0-2 capacity, but from memory its not as strict as being 'written off' All of the legislation has interpretation to go with it and the jca 'attempts' to apply the legislation effectively. If they dont you have the right to review and appeal any decision made... armed with FOI requests often decisions can be changed. Squeaky wheel and all that. If you possibly can, once you have the application form, seek some assistance from a mental health advocate... I cant remember which state you are in but I feel it would be a great help to you. You just wont know until you put a claim in, and there will be a risk involved, but potentially an outcome that gives you significantly more freedom to go overseas. Hi tasjo! Just when I start to give up... you or bear pop up with another idea! From memory I think Bear told me where to get a UP application from... i will scroll back and see if i can find it. Not sure if you read bears reply to my most recent post but since a new episode has occurred it has been a set back/decline and i believe would take me from moderate to severe on the impairment table... so I'm not afraid of losing my DSP if/when it is reviewed. The thing is now though... as I'm still in active recovery from my most recent episode... i am not quite stable again yet so would possibly not get the FDTS letter. However, expected recovery time - going on past experience says i should be considered fully stable by Dec/March. No rush here. Didn't plan on going until then anyway. I'm willing to get a copy of the form (if I can find where bear said it is)... just wondering which health care professionals would be willing to help... Guess I'll never know til I see the questions ah? Thanks for another glimmer of hope. *Oh I'm in Tasmania
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Post by bear on Jul 11, 2020 16:49:23 GMT 7
Centrelink International Services; pH. 131673 btw, they are in Hobart.....somewhere.
UP/IP Application Forms. They'll likely try to scare you out of applying. Cheers bear
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Post by tasjo on Jul 12, 2020 1:44:55 GMT 7
Once you have the UP form give Advocacy Tasmamia a call, ask to speak with someone regarding Mental Health/Disability advocacy and they should be able to help you.
They may be able to do things like... - have a meeting/phone call with you to help you understand which specialists are appropriate - help understand the centrelink definition of FDTS... remember its not what the usual definition is, its whats in the legislation. - possibly attend a JCA with you - possibly attend a review or appeal with you if your claim is rejected.
I had support from them for my level 2AAT dsp appeal and it helped me a lot.
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Post by firefly on Jul 13, 2020 7:52:55 GMT 7
Centrelink International Services; pH. 131673 btw, they are in Hobart.....somewhere. UP/IP Application Forms. They'll likely try to scare you out of applying. Cheers bear Hey Bear, if I call to ask for them to post me an application and they quiz me or whatever on why I want to apply... can I just tell them I am assessing my options for future travel next year? Or will they want more information?
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Post by bear on Jul 13, 2020 9:29:07 GMT 7
Your reasons aren't any of their business firefly, but if they're insistent and /or you get flustered; telling them you're assessing options for future travel next year is the truth. They'll be more interested in trying to put you off the idea I think. Cheers bear
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Post by robbie on Oct 7, 2021 3:18:38 GMT 7
Hi
I'm considering going overseas for 12 months and am on dsp I saw in this thread about studying approved course to be able to still get dsp overseas could someone give me more info? Banjo you sent the person some info about this would it be possible to get that? Cheers
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Post by Banjo on Oct 7, 2021 5:58:19 GMT 7
Hi Robbie, welcome to the forum. The PM I sent to the original poster in this thread would have only been the password to the closed section of the forum, something we allow members after we get to know them a little better. bear handles that aspect of administration now. Regarding portability of the DSP for study purposes, in my experience this is very difficult to get. I suspect that you would need to be doing a similar course of study in Australia with no way of continuing it at an advanced level without going overseas.
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Post by bear on Oct 7, 2021 6:46:42 GMT 7
G'day robbie and welcome to the forum. If you have a read of the thread from the link you'll know as much about the process as myself, which is very little. Your overseas study must be able to be credited to your Australian course, and the OP of the linked thread was successful in having their application to study overseas indefinitely approved, through meeting the required criteria and getting put through to the correct area that deals with it. "A Special Section", unbeknownst to the many, and hidden away deep in the bowels of Services Australia/Centrelink. If you would, please place further posts concerning your interaction with Centrelink regarding this into the linked thread, it'd be much appreciated and enables the info to remain in a dedicated space in order to help others who wish to achieve the same thing. Cheers bear dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/5413/dsp-on-student-exchange-conundrums P.S. I don't think the thread's on a closed board. If it is just send me a PM/DM for the password.
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Post by genx on Oct 7, 2021 16:11:28 GMT 7
Hi I'm considering going overseas for 12 months and am on dsp I saw in this thread about studying approved course to be able to still get dsp overseas could someone give me more info? Banjo you sent the person some info about this would it be possible to get that? Cheers This is generally applicable to university doing exchange overseas. There isn't really anything else. You would be better off making preparations for an Indefinite Portability application.
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Post by bear on Oct 7, 2021 17:59:07 GMT 7
As already noted; it's as simple as that!! We've already had one success and if you read the thread you'll see it was plain sailing and a whole lot easier than preparing for and following through with a UP application with its attendant pitfalls should your DSP having been determined over multiple disabilities rather than just one, imho. Cheers bear
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