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Post by baranghope on May 28, 2012 5:33:04 GMT 7
I have talked with Centrelink managers in both Canberra and Hobart. There are several issues . . . first and foremost it is doubtful Centrelink International will be up to speed with regard to Pro Forma application forms for Indefinite Portability on July 1, 2012. Expect vague delays and an agonising process. Also be aware of the Catch 22, that a Med Review may show not only that you are not eligible for Indefinite Portability . . . it may knock you off the DSP entirely. Danger Young Robinson, Danger
But let's say you are 61 come July and by September off you go to Nepal or whatever to live with your gaolers' ticket of leave. What happens when you hit 65? If you claim the OAP returnees have to reside for 2 years, age 66-67, in Australia. Currently as far as I know people who hit 65 are offered an option to take the OAP or keep the DSP. The guy in Nepal will obviously need to keep the DSP. But will that still be on offer in 2016??
Big big issue.
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Post by Banjo on May 28, 2012 6:46:09 GMT 7
Who are these managers? The guy I spoke to in Hobart who seems to be running the show concerning the Jan 2012 changes seems to think that the forms will be ready before the end of June. He seemed to think that the bar would be set a little high but I tend to agree with Rowdy here. Look at it this way, if the deem us to be employable they will have to find us jobs.... a highly unrealistic scenario that even Centrelink should be able to see.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 8:04:36 GMT 7
I have talked with Centrelink managers in both Canberra and Hobart. There are several issues . . . first and foremost it is doubtful Centrelink International will be up to speed with regard to Pro Forma application forms for Indefinite Portability on July 1, 2012. Expect vague delays and an agonising process. Also be aware of the Catch 22, that a Med Review may show not only that you are not eligible for Indefinite Portability . . . it may knock you off the DSP entirely. Danger Young Robinson, Danger But let's say you are 61 come July and by September off you go to Nepal or whatever to live with your gaolers' ticket of leave. What happens when you hit 65? If you claim the OAP returnees have to reside for 2 years, age 66-67, in Australia. Currently as far as I know people who hit 65 are offered an option to take the OAP or keep the DSP. The guy in Nepal will obviously need to keep the DSP. But will that still be on offer in 2016?? Big big issue. I You read my mind. I think the same. I turn 65 in 2015, will be interesting to what develops between now and 2015.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 8:10:49 GMT 7
Who are these managers? The guy I spoke to in Hobart who seems to be running the show concerning the Jan 2012 changes seems to think that the forms will be ready before the end of June. He seemed to think that the bar would be set a little high but I tend to agree with Rowdy here. Look at it this way, if the deem us to be employable they will have to find us jobs.... a highly unrealistic scenario that even Centrelink should be able to see. If they try to get us back to work, they will have us sign up to a Job Placement who will not be able to get there quota's. Because it is unrealistic for so many people with so many medical problems plus our age to get a job. The Government will have to pay company's to employ us. Who will employ us ?
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Post by Banker on May 28, 2012 8:29:50 GMT 7
When I changed from DSP to OAP in 2010, C/L sent a form to me in SEAsia I filled the form in & sent it back. I then received a phone call from someone at C/L asking about one of the questions I had answered, He told me the change over would be automatic once I turned 65 ( none of this phone call etc was on my file I could not get a receipt number for the call also ) I decided to change to OAP because of all the trouble DSP people were having with residency etc. Now just to clarify I lost my residency in 2002 but gained indefinite portability, so I came under the grandfather system.
On C/L web site it says that one must be in Australia when they apply, also one must be a resident, well neither applied to me.
None of this is set in concrete, because you can appeal any decision C/L make.
C/L told me that I must return to Australia & remain there for two years for me to regain my residency, If this should ever happen I will appeal it all the way to the Federal Court, but at the moment I'm happy with my present situation.
Do not take too much notice what a C/L employee tells you over the phone always get any major decision in writing.
baranghope you talk about what will happen in 2016, none of us know what is going to happen for the remainder of 2012 that includes most of C/L staff.
I try & use this as a guide. "We can plan the future but we cant plan the results"
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Post by zorro1 on May 28, 2012 8:42:25 GMT 7
"Also be aware of the Catch 22, that a Med Review may show not only that you are not eligible for Indefinite Portability . . . it may knock you off the DSP entirely. Danger Young Robinson, Danger": I applaud this scenario. If someone is deemed fit to work then they should not be on the DSP ps its will robinson Oh, the pain, the pain
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Post by baranghope on May 29, 2012 6:13:00 GMT 7
I have nothing either against a Med Review bumping some fakir off the DSP. But this is stupid thinking. First, the stated idea of the Indefinite Portability amendment is make it easier for severely impaired recipients who cannot work to live abroad in a non-agreement country where one has relatives. Each client granted such portability will save the Commonwealth thousands per annum in direct and indirect costs: supplements, allowances, Medicare, et al.
The problem is that they are subjecting genuine applicants with a time-consuming Med Review and Work Assessment that will take up weeks of their short lives. If these reviews (it takes 2-4 weeks now for a booked Centrelink appointment, try month's when this comes online) were not the same as applied to any younger client I could understand the process. What I am saying is that it should be an easy and streamlined 2 week process. A 60 year old who has been on the DSP for say several years has already undergone, in the past, endless medical checks. Now the new Impairment Tables (private sector designed, which do not recognise minor things like PAIN, and ensure that no-one with arthritis will tally 20 points) are ridiculous for this particular Review. Why Review the obvious, when they don't even have the staff to do so efficiently?
What this effectively does is create worry and deep concern for a severely disabled applicant for portability . . . that some arbitrary decision in Hobart could ruin their lives onshore. Only the genuine would apply therefore because of the review risks, so why trouble them? One stamped letter from their GP should be all that is required.
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Post by largeone on Jun 1, 2012 15:21:44 GMT 7
I should not have a problem with getting Indefinate Portability as I get DSP and TPI Pensions which says I can never work again because of my many disabilities. The thing I am worried about is that my "Fulltime Carer" always travels with me on the same current rules on Portability. If she cant get Indefinate we will still have to return every 3 months. I will find out everything (I hope)when we go back to Aussie next week.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 1, 2012 19:03:41 GMT 7
Are you back in the land of a million rice fields largeone? If so, give me a PM and we'll have a coffee before you leave. Maybe at Marty's where we can cadge a free one.
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Post by zingzingzing on Jun 7, 2012 5:36:01 GMT 7
I rang centerlink yesterday being on 40 min hold, flattening a cordless phone on the way....
Nice lady on the other end, I said to her leaving to go overseas for a month...
She said when you going... told the date leaving, then she asks when you coming back, said the date.....
And then told where you going, said Japan.
And that was it lol.
Got name and reference number so all good.
No idea if that was an interview or anything.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 7, 2012 7:36:50 GMT 7
Good news, safe journey.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 8:40:51 GMT 7
I rang centerlink yesterday being on 40 min hold, flattening a cordless phone on the way.... Nice lady on the other end, I said to her leaving to go overseas for a month... She said when you going... told the date leaving, then she asks when you coming back, said the date..... And then told where you going, said Japan. And that was it lol. Got name and reference number so all good. No idea if that was an interview or anything. They were standard questios i get asked when going on short trips. Will be ineteresting what they ask after July 1!!
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Post by zingzingzing on Jun 7, 2012 9:36:00 GMT 7
Thanks Banjo,
@bedwin,
Yeah figured as much - I'm leaving end of July and coming back end of August.
Should be interesting lol.
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Post by zorro1 on Jun 7, 2012 13:33:55 GMT 7
Well flew in perth last night , FREEZING windy and wet arrived at the half way house/ free methadone centre they call the YMCA hotel to find my 10 th floor room ready but all 3 lifts busted .ughhh on a brighter not i made my in/out call today for tomorrows depature, lovely lady took my call no dramas I asked her about july1st. get this, she knew nothing! politely offered to transfer me to human resources but after nearly 1 hour of listening to violins I politely declined.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 7, 2012 14:59:12 GMT 7
How much a night at the Y Zorro?
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