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Post by Banjo on Feb 23, 2013 7:38:15 GMT 7
Peter: You're right about the article, the guy had his residency and pension restored, he did not get the right to live overseas. Many OAP do become more conservative, I believe that this board represents many free thinkers though, the decision to give up the quiet wait for the end of our days over a few weekend beers at the bowling club with Downton Abbey to look forward to on the TV is not taken lightly. We also expect our government to take care of our children, we want jobs protected and education and health care standards met. For many this is more important than their personal interests. I believe the Liberal Party is committed to the interests of big business and will never be any other way. The corporate media, which to me is every privately funded outlet run as a commercial enterprise is about right wing spin... fear.... fear of boat people, fear of immigrants, fear of the unions... only the Liberals will protect you from this. Wages are under threat, jobs go overseas, taxes cut and services disappear to pay for them and the media virtually ignores it. This is what spin is all about. As the election approaches this board will allow more political discussion, it will NOT allow bullshit to support either point of view and rudeness will not be tolerated. Everyone is entitled to their point of view... even Liberal voters. Buddha help me, even the name of that party is a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 7:52:47 GMT 7
I like what he says here. Of course he's talking about himself and his mates. If this ever happens the getting the OAP much later. As some people are still in the work force NOW. There will be no jobs for kids as they grow up. Its bad enough now with no jobs. Mr Abbott says the electorate would understand the reasons for changing the rules. "I mean this idea that you should study until you're 25, and then retire when you're 55 or 60 and then live effectively on the taxpayer for another 30 years it's not a recipe for a productive successful society into the future," he said. Topics:federal-government, government-and-politics, social-policy, australia Fi
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Post by Banker on Feb 23, 2013 7:55:18 GMT 7
I have been a Liberal supporter all my life. ;D These are my views on it. The Labor party today is more like the Liberal party of 30+ years ago, this is one of the reasons the workers and the pensioners are being attacked, yes " The little Aussie Battler" is a thing of the past. Yes I started work at 14 years of age, worked until I dropped......I was worn out, so much for pushing up the retirement age, but this is all about Governments saving money. If any of you think you will get a better deal with the Liberals at the next election I think you are dreaming. Just go back and see what Joe Hockey has been saying over the past year. So who to vote for? I do not have the answer to that one. We have a current PM you know when she is telling lies you can see her lips moving. You have Father Abbott. A lost cause. This is just my two Bobs worth.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 23, 2013 8:22:46 GMT 7
We need a campaign to get overseas Australians to the polls, I don't care who they vote for as long as they vote and let the pollies know that they do give a shit.
It's a pain if you're in the provinces, getting a postal vote can often have it turning up after the election... no excuse now, Julia has given us more than 6 months notice, and a trip to the embassy hard work if you're somewhere like Udon Thani or Dumaguete.
I did actually vote once when I was away, I made about a 1000km trip to Bangkok to vote for little Kevvy. It was quite interesting, the poll officer said I was the only person she had seen all day.
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Post by zorro1 on Feb 23, 2013 9:51:15 GMT 7
If pattaya had an office then that would take care of 97% of DSPers and defiantly worth a 1000mile journey
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Post by Banjo on Feb 23, 2013 10:02:40 GMT 7
It's the OAP that has to get off their collective arses and vote, if you think there's a few in Pattaya you should see them sitting in the sidewalk afternoon bars drinking cheap San Miguel in Angeles City. The village dwellers of Isaan would come to a few as well.
As long as they cheerfully take advantage of the loophole saying you don't have to vote if you're out of the country then NO government is going to give a shit about them.
Even the embassy doesn't want to know them if they have a problem.
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Post by pino on Feb 23, 2013 10:57:38 GMT 7
Previous and present governments had and have the ability to find new ways of ripping off its citizens their money, their imagination has always been endless…but when it comes to fund the elderly with their pension…their brain cease to function. May be a new law should be introduced where by each politician must fund 100 pensioners out of their own pocket….I am sure within days they will come up with the right solution.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 23, 2013 11:28:31 GMT 7
I'll tell you right now, Joe hockey will be getting that $60 pension supplement back. Joe Hockey flags welfare cuts OPPOSITION Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey has indicated a Coalition government would look at cutting welfare and other entitlements to offset lower personal income and business taxes. Mr Hockey told policymakers in Europe the "age of entitlement" in Western countries was over. "We are all living longer and the longer we rely on government handouts, the greater the burden for taxpayers and particularly those that follow," he told ABC TV from London after his speech. Mr Hockey refused to comment when asked about specific entitlements the Coalition would get rid of, saying instead they would "continually look at ways to ensure that people get a fairer deal through lower taxes and less government spending". He said his speech was "mainly directed at countries spending between 20 and 30 per cent of GDP on welfare" although the Coalition believed more entitlements could be cut in Australia too. www.news.com.au/national-old/joe-hockey-flags-welfare-cuts/story-e6frfkvr-1226332171883
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Post by scallywag on Feb 23, 2013 14:28:55 GMT 7
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Post by scallywag on Feb 23, 2013 15:38:16 GMT 7
www.abc.net.au/news/2009-07-27/abbott-wants-pension-age-to-hit-70/1368880Federal Opposition frontbencher Tony Abbott has urged his Coalition colleagues to support his call for the pension age to be lifted to at least 70. In the Budget the Government announced a plan to lift the pension eligibility age to 67 by the year 2023. But Mr Abbott says the Opposition should go further, and give people the opportunity to work for longer. "I don't see it as unreasonable at all to raise the pension age, and it's not so much saying to people, work till you drop, it's saying to people we do not want to prematurely shut you out of economic participation in our society," he said. He says people would understand if the Coalition took the policy to the next election. Mr Abbott says the electorate would understand the reasons for changing the rules. "I mean this idea that you should study until you're 25, and then retire when you're 55 or 60 and then live effectively on the taxpayer for another 30 years it's not a recipe for a productive successful society into the future," he said. This is gibberish. Does he really think people should be forced to work longer so they have the opportunity to work longer. Pension at 55 ? ?? No wonder he is restricted to three word slogans and not allowed on the tv.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 23, 2013 16:09:33 GMT 7
What's he talking about? Does he think that there's no means test on pensions now? My parents are retired for over 30 years and never had a cracker off of Centrelink. (On their taxpayer supported private super).
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Post by peter on Feb 23, 2013 22:17:28 GMT 7
Mr Hockey was giving a lecture overseas to an overseas audience, so his words were free advice to non voters. Maybe also, he was looking for a bit of reflected glory in that Australia's fiscal situation was not too bad compared to that of others.
Mr Abbott made his speech in 2009 but his sentiments have not changed. Ten days ago he announced that the school kids bonus would go if he was elected because "it was funded out of a deficit, and was a cash splash with no educational value". Very forthright, no mealy mouthed words there.
But in 2009 he went for some spin and I hope he stops it. When saying that he wanted to "raise the pension age to 70" to "give people the opportunity to work longer" one has to admire his honesty. But he has an electoral situation to consider so his bark might be worse than his bite.
And do not forget the carry on in 2009? that the pension age must be increased. Everyone agreed. And the result, they pushed that out to start in 2017 by raising the age from 65 in steps up until 2023 when one would have to turn 67 to get it. So Mr Abbott has had some of his work done already.
There are 3.5 million pensioners. If they wish to cut back expenditure on that moving the retirement age from 65 to 67 does not save much. They will need more comprehensive ideas than that.
And Hockey in 2009 wanted to make room for tax decreases. I think Labor already beat him to that one. Income tax today starts at $18,000 from changes made in the last several budgets.
In 2010 there were 800,000 plus on DSP. The government recorded 7,572 as being overseas residents. That figure would be the grandfathered group and not those taking 13 week breaks.
The figure of 62,147 for the OAP's is surprisingly low and in the scheme of several millions on OAP it should not attract too many cost saving thoughts. The budget has room for larger savings elsewhere.
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Post by Banker on Feb 24, 2013 5:43:41 GMT 7
The figure of 62,147 for the OAP's is surprisingly low and in the scheme of several millions on OAP it should not attract too many cost saving thoughts. The budget has room for larger savings elsewhere.
What you are saying there Peter is common sense........ Please remember " Common Sense and Government" should never be in the same sentence.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 24, 2013 7:34:31 GMT 7
Maybe also, he was looking for a bit of reflected glory in that Australia's fiscal situation was not too bad compared to that of others.This is one of the things the corporate media will have to work hard on making Australians forget, and unfortunately we do have short memories, the cash injections into pensioners and low income earners along with he $60 pension supplement that kept Australia out of the economic mire that the US and many European countries are wallowing in now. You may be surprised to hear this from Banjo but I think Bob Katter will go well. Katter is nipping at the heels of Labor's blue-collar base. It's perhaps not widely understood that he is strongly pro-union. In addition to being a big government man, the ethanol industry's chief spruiker and an unapologetic protectionist, Katter supports the return of the old industrial relations architecture - conciliation and arbitration. He's also fiercely opposed to foreign workers coming to Australia on temporary migration programs, and is busy telling his constituency it is Labor that's letting them in to take their jobs on lower wages and conditions just to please billionaires like Gina Rinehart.Read more: www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/katters-world-causing-cluster-headaches--20130210-2e6g5.html#ixzz2Llw4bkUTThere's a lot of people agree with what he says there.
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Post by anotherdsp on Sept 21, 2015 9:39:58 GMT 7
i had an sms from aust about people retiring o/s on oap on the abc news i think and whether this should be allowed? i think it was on saturday? tried googling it but nothing?? it was about retiring in asian countries?
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