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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 11, 2016 4:30:44 GMT 7
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 11, 2016 4:38:21 GMT 7
From all of the above I think,
1. There is not going to be any threat to OAP portability real soon and certainly not without some major changes to SS legislation and there are a lot more OAP than DSP;
2. By virtue of DSP IP only being granted to permanently and severely impaired DSP recipients with no future work capacity there is an automatic exemption to AWLR; and
3. My OAP "application" will be deemed to have been made when I originally left Australia, 26/8/2013.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 11, 2016 5:04:35 GMT 7
Perhaps off topic a tad but looking into this subject has reinforced for me the total hypocrisy of all politicians, and journalists, that push the line that pensions should be spent in Australia because if that is true then they should give up their computers, mobile phones, TV's, bottled drinks, whatever.
We used to have a manufacturing industry in Australia and 'the system' has stripped it out of the country.
How dare the *rseholes tell us we can't go overseas when all they promote and use is overseas ideas and products.
In fact, tell me which politicians whether Commonwealth, State or even Local Council that hasn't been overseas on taxpayers money?
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Post by Banjo on Jul 11, 2016 6:27:07 GMT 7
He was grandfathered.
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Post by itsmylife08 on Jul 11, 2016 12:04:12 GMT 7
If a person has AWLR of 420 months or more, the normal income and asset-tested rate can be paid overseas. RA, however, would still cease after 26 weeks (6 weeks only for TAL and maximum pension supplement) of a temporary absence, or on departure if the absence was permanent. The pension supplement basic amount (former GST supplement) can be paid overseas indefinitely. The following income support recipients, with indefinite portability, are exempt from the proportional rate. These are: •terminally ill DSP recipients who are severely disabled, who qualified for DSP because they became unable to work or permanently blind whilst they were an Australia resident, and •permanently and severely impaired DSP recipients with no future work capacity who qualified for DSP because they became unable to work or permanently blind whilst they were an Australian resident, and •entitled WidB pensioners whose partner died while both members of the couple were Australian residents, and who were overseas immediately before 20 Sept 2000 and have not returned to Australia for more than 26 weeks, and •all pensioners granted before 2 July 1986 (proportional portability only came in on 1 July 1986), who were overseas immediately before 20 Sept 2000 and have not returned to Australia for more than 26 weeks. I'm sure That I come under bullet point 2 Good find itsmylife08 but where did you find it please? 7.2.2.10 Calculating Proportional Portability for Non-Agreement Pensions Summary
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Post by itsmylife08 on Jul 11, 2016 12:23:31 GMT 7
Permanently and severely with no future work capacity who qualified for DSP because they became unable to work or permanently blind whilst they were an Australian resident... in other words your injury has to have occurred in Australia only and not O/S ...That's where I have my exemption . I got caught between train doors closing years ago , the pressure was so severe my 2 shoulders met . I reported it at my exit station , nothing was done about it. I even gave the dates , station etc ... So if they ever want to play games bring it on !!!!!
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Post by chris on Jul 12, 2016 2:01:12 GMT 7
However. After reading all that.
A person with 25 years AWLR is going to be reverted to 25/35 % of the OAP after 26 weeks overseas.
Isn't that the case Denis?
Copy and thanks for pointing out the T/F can be done overseas without risk.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 12, 2016 11:35:10 GMT 7
However. After reading all that. A person with 25 years AWLR is going to be reverted to 25/35 % of the OAP after 26 weeks overseas. Isn't that the case Denis? Copy and thanks for pointing out the T/F can be done overseas without risk. Yes chrisThere is a distinction between a DSP recipient who gains Indefinite Portability by virtue of having the assessed number of points on the Impairment Tables with no future work capacity and is living overseas at the time they turn OAP age and someone that has been living and working overseas and wants to claim the OAP. In that 2nd instance yes the person has to return to Australia to claim the OAP. Yes they have to spend 2 years in Australia before their OAP is eligible for portability. and yes they are subject to the AWLR provisions. Note that the calculation will be using the 35 years criteria for anyone that applies.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 12, 2016 11:37:00 GMT 7
I got caught between train doors closing years ago , the pressure was so severe my 2 shoulders met. Bloody hell itsmylife08!
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Post by mmett on Jul 12, 2016 20:54:05 GMT 7
Hi Denis,Does that mean some one who is on dsp with UP and reaches oap is not required to return here for 2 yrs to qualify for oap,his dsp with ip automatically
Reverts to OAP?
Is that right? Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 20:57:49 GMT 7
Hi Denis,Does that mean some one who is on dsp with UP and reaches oap is not required to return here for 2 yrs to qualify for oap,his dsp with ip automatically Reverts to OAP? Is that right? Cheers That's correct. DSP with UP does not require any qualification return time but we have in the past thought if transferring to OAP do it while visiting Australia. Also, there is no requirement to transfer to OAP. A DSP may stay on that payment after OAP age.
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Post by itsmylife08 on Jul 12, 2016 22:09:35 GMT 7
I got caught between train doors closing years ago , the pressure was so severe my 2 shoulders met. Bloody hell itsmylife08 ! Yes Denis 23rd July 1994 7am train from wooloowin to Ipswich it was one of the old bone shakers no announcements that the doors were closing , I just made it and the doors closed on my shoulders , the carriage was packed and not one a/h would move , eventually I squeezed through falling on the ground . No help whatsoever , I was in agony and felt sick by the incident. I was working in Milton near the brewery at the time , so I notified the station master , explained what happened and was told that the matter would be investigated . despite several visits to speak with the Station Master I never saw him again. I have Spinal Stenosis , they say it is an age related disorder , what happened to me sped up the process ,I was in my mid thirties at the time , in the prime of life or so they say. Physically I have never been the same , and believe compensation should have been the order of the day . I wonder did it play a part in me being awarded UP!!!
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 12, 2016 22:35:45 GMT 7
Hi Denis,Does that mean some one who is on dsp with UP and reaches oap is not required to return here for 2 yrs to qualify for oap,his dsp with ip automatically Reverts to OAP? Is that right? Cheers mmettFurther to @mikecnx above, this is my understanding, If I had been living and working overseas and then turned OAP age I would need to return to Australia and apply for the OAP. By virtue of being the right age I will be granted the OAP on the spot. As an OAP if I want to go overseas to live then I need to spend 2 years in Australia to gain portability of my OAP. In that 2 years I will be paid the full amount of OAP. At the end of the 2 years I decide to leave. That is when the AWLR comes into play and will cut back my OAP payment depending on the amount of years I have actually spent in Australia from the age of 16. Like @mikecnx and itsmylife08 said the procedure is different if I am already on DSP with Indefinite Portability and living overseas. C/Link will deem me to have applied for OAP when I get to the OAP age as long as I am still living overseas on the Indefinite Portability DSP. Hope this helps. Cheers D
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Post by mmett on Jul 12, 2016 22:55:10 GMT 7
Thanks for your input guys I can relax now!
Regards
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 12, 2016 22:56:16 GMT 7
Physically I have never been the same , and believe compensation should have been the order of the day . I wonder did it play a part in me being awarded UP!!! I have wondered the same in my circumstance itsmylife08If we ever meet I'll watch the sliding doors.
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