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Post by blacktulipvampire on Aug 25, 2013 19:13:01 GMT 7
Well, it would have helped if I had included the info !! Social Security Guide – Impairment Tables. Link : guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-3/ssguide-3.6/ssguide-3.6.3.htmlOn this site you can download the GUIDE to the Tables – I have put it below. guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssguide_images/guidelines%20to%20the%20tables.pdfThese are not the tables themselves, but are very useful to have. There is also then a link to the comlaw site which contains the Tables themselves, but I have posted below a direct link to the download site. www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2011L02716/DownloadIt may also be worthwhile for anyone thinking of applying for UP, or even wanting to make sure they still qualify for the DSP, to also download the old tables. Find out what points C/Link last assessed you as having, under which tables, and print out both old and new and take them to your Dr. guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssguide_images/guide%20to%20the%20impairment%20tables.pdfJust DONT get confused between the 2 files. The new ones will have as part of the heading “Determination 2011” Also, the new ones only have 56 pages PDF file, the old ones, 85 pages. 1 July 2012 changes to indefinite portability of DSP guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-7/ssguide-7.1/ssguide-7.1.1/ssguide-7.1.1.10.html
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Post by Banjo on Aug 25, 2013 19:19:51 GMT 7
I may do a major re-organisation of the forum next week.
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Post by blacktulipvampire on Aug 25, 2013 19:33:24 GMT 7
Thanks Banjo, by report, do u mean JCA? I have ask for that. It is being sent to my address by mail and my friend is opening it for me. The reason they gave for my refusal is that I completed 2 university degree just before I went on pension so they think I can work. When told I can work 5-7 hours, my friend said, 'yes u may be able to work that, but which day.' On account of how unpredictable my condition is. Who would employ me??! Makes me angry to think about what they are doing. Re Your friends comment about work and on what day ... In the part of the SS guide that talks about qualification for DSP, and 15 hrs work there is this bit:- 3.6.1.67 Sustainability of Work & DSP guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-3/ssguide-3.6/ssguide-3.6.1/pc_13680.htmlCapacity to work 15 hours or more per week means the ability to reliably perform work of 15 hours or more per week for a period of 26 weeks without excessive leave or work absences. Bold is mine. Explanation: Approximately 2 weeks sick leave in relation to a person's condition in a 26 week period is considered to be reasonable leave. Explanation: Sick leave of a month or more in relation to a person's condition in 26 weeks is more than what is considered reasonable. Have to say, if some-one I employed took 2 months off sick a year I wouldn't be too impressed. The point is, if the consideration of reliability of work capacity applies for general DSP qualification, then surely the same applies to UP re no work capacity. And, the work has to be in the open work enviroment. Frankly, I cannot see an employer saying .... sure, work 7 hrs a week, just show up when you can, and if you have to take a week off at short notice we understand perfectly. !!
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Post by tablet on Aug 26, 2013 13:15:05 GMT 7
Hi Tulip, Thanks for putting up the links. Also to Fedup who has been adding a heap of links lately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 4:13:27 GMT 7
So if someone can work 5-7 hours a week they don't get UP, How the hell is someone who can only work 7 hours a week supposed to make enough money to survie, have the centrelink brains trust thought of that one.
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Post by fedup on Aug 27, 2013 4:31:20 GMT 7
0-2 And you may have a chance
It's all well and good for people who say they have been granted indefinite portabilty or U/P, but it would be more insightful if they divulged a little more without identifying themselves,as each case is different,but in the end the yay or nay goes to the SO-CALLED ASSESSORS
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Post by Banjo on Aug 27, 2013 7:01:57 GMT 7
I think we get as much as we're going to in a public forum, I just got rid of one serial pest here but we'll always have them and people don't like being sneered at when they reveal personal details of their lives. The best we can achieve is set up the guide lines and show people how to present their case, the rest is up to them.
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Post by fedup on Aug 27, 2013 11:05:23 GMT 7
My point here,is that there may be a great proportion of UP claimants who are nearing OAP ,which may have a significant input to receiving UP,and others may be too young,or not considered being disabled long enough,just an observation,and as stated it all comes down to the ASSESSORS and their interpretation,not necessarily the facts
Who knows
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Post by Banjo on Aug 27, 2013 11:13:17 GMT 7
My personal experience would disprove that theory having been knocked back for the UP less than a year before qualifying for the OAP.
My argument, well documented here, is that qualification for the UP should be based on other factors than the impairment tables. Age, of course, would be one of these.
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Post by mick on Aug 27, 2013 11:34:51 GMT 7
It states in the guidelines that age shouldn't be a factor. Nevertheless i'm sure it is off the record.
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Post by fedup on Aug 27, 2013 16:46:27 GMT 7
Okay
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Post by baranghope on Aug 28, 2013 15:09:27 GMT 7
Tried a new Irish GP yesterday, loaded for bear with a list of my documented chronic ailments, thinking of grooming him for a UP application. I was on heavy codeine just to bus and walk it to his "Medical Centre".
He was very aware of the Med applications for DSP, the new 2011 tables. He said he doubted I would be granted the DSP now. At one point, the condescending asshole barked, "so what's your disability?" implying I had none really. Despite the fact he had in front of him my file of specialists reports, and a typed summary of that, so scientific evidence of 6 serious chronic ailments.
So even the GPs, especially the older ones not online and hating paperwork, love the new tables.
Combine that attitude with a possible LNP Asian model of Oz designed to shift welfare to the middle classes and you have the writing on the wall.
Once they removed pain and discounted multiple holistic chronic illness they opened the gate to untruth.
I'm now going to try a young Punjabi GP who is Peter Seller's double I'm told.
Maybe levity can save me.
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Post by lou on Sept 13, 2013 10:20:59 GMT 7
Hi all, just a bit of an update on my case. It went to an appeals officer who I spoke to at length. They said if I could get a letter to say my future hope of any recovery to commence work is nil, they would consider it. I contacted my psychologists and she wrote a letter that stated in two paragraphs that I could not work. In the last paragraph she stated that I had 'very little future capacity to work in future'. This was not good enough for them. They wanted her to she 'no future work capacity'. A technicality is what I was refused unlimited portability on!! Unbelievable! I will now go to the next appeal. Any chance of success ant think??!
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Post by Banjo on Sept 13, 2013 13:49:45 GMT 7
Was that an ARO you dealt with? They are very hard, virtually a rubber stamp. I you went that close with them I'd certainly consider an SSAT appeal.
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Post by anthonydsp on Sept 13, 2013 16:35:45 GMT 7
hi lou i think banjo is right you should highly consider a ssat appeal
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