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Post by Banjo on Sept 18, 2013 9:11:28 GMT 7
This board has been created at the suggestion of member who thinks that encouraging pensioners to live overseas will considerably enhance their lifestyle and quality of life.
We can discuss things like cost of living in various countries, health care, insurance and what ever else you might like to bring up.
Once more, and I hope I don't need to remind you of this, discussion of sex tourism or prostitution will NOT be allowed
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Post by fedup on Sept 19, 2013 0:35:21 GMT 7
I would like to know if anyone is living in a mutual agreement country,under the rules and legislation required ,and if so could you explain to me what the definition ,fact wise is ,in relation to going to a third country
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Post by wbmania72 on Sept 19, 2013 12:49:18 GMT 7
How the International Social Security Agreements help
The agreements may allow you to continue to get social security entitlements when you move between agreement countries. They may help by:
allowing you to lodge a payment claim in either Australia or the agreement country, and, in some cases, a third country* *(This is only possible if you reside in a country that will accept claims under other international social security agreements, and are claiming a payment under an agreement that allows you to lodge a claim in a third country.) allowing you to add together your periods of social insurance (or residence in some cases) in an agreement country and your periods of Australian residence, to meet the minimum requirements for an Australian pension or a pension from the agreement country overcoming any agreement country’s payment restrictions on citizenship or country of residence
Austria | Belgium | Canada | Chile | Croatia | Cyprus | Czech |Denmark | Finland | Germany | Greece | Hungary | Ireland | Italy | Japan | Korea | Latvia | Malta | Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia | The Netherlands | New Zealand | Norway | Poland | Portugal | Slovak | Slovenia | Spain | Switzerland | United States of America. my understanding is; Australia is the first country that main source of our DSP, second country's are listed above that share the payment we receive, and any other country is third country.(no agreement country) if it's a wrong info some1 else welcome to correct it regards
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Post by mick on Sept 23, 2013 20:31:48 GMT 7
I am going to live overseas on my pension where I am told it will go further. My question is how do I go about finding somewhere to live in a country that I have never been too or speak the language. I have heard of guest houses but isn't that just like a share house? Ideally I would like a place on my own, not in a city.
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Post by Banjo on Sept 23, 2013 20:39:07 GMT 7
You need to do a little research on the Internet, travel as cheaply as you can and find a place you like. Talk to a few like minded people already living there, or join the expat websites and take it from there.
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Post by roxane on Sept 24, 2013 10:24:57 GMT 7
I would like to know if anyone is living in a mutual agreement country,under the rules and legislation required ,and if so could you explain to me what the definition ,fact wise is ,in relation to going to a third country I went through ALL the Int Agreements and to make it short for you, the only usable agreement are with Germany and Austria. They are the ONLY two countries where you don't need to be SEVERELY disabled to be eligible. All the other countries require to be severely disabled, which is again useless as if you are you are eligible for UP anyway. With the Int. Agreement, you can stay up to 6 month in GER, and 3 month in Austria. That's pretty much it.
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Post by maca84 on Sept 24, 2013 16:26:52 GMT 7
roxana could you clarify please? Does it mean if you on DSP and wanna make overseas trip for 3-6month you just choose 3month Austria or 6month Germany and they will keep paying for that time?
That doesnt make any sense in my eyes cos no borders in europe.
Does anyone know how those agreements work? Who is paying after the 42 days will be finished?
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Post by Banjo on Sept 24, 2013 17:06:57 GMT 7
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Post by fedup on Sept 25, 2013 5:53:34 GMT 7
Hmm
What I was wanting clarified is
I am being paid Indefinitely in NZ under that agreement,
It states one can travel to a third country and be paid for up to six months
What I need clarified is ,is this any country ,of choice
As I read it ,it is a weaker version of unlimited portability
In other words one can travel freely for up to six months ,as opposed to Indefinite,and still be paid
Similar to the six months,13 weeks ,and now 6 weeks version in Australia
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Post by Banjo on Sept 25, 2013 6:18:31 GMT 7
Unfortunately we currently have no members that I know of living in a mutual agreement country. I understand your frustration at the boards inability to help you but the only way we have access to the information is for someone to look it up on the internet.
I realise that the agreement with New Zealand differs in some ways but it is something that I have never bothered to look into and was unaware of the 6 month clause.
I suspect that the only way you will find out about it for sure will be to ring Centrelink International and discuss it with them.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Sept 25, 2013 6:43:36 GMT 7
Banjo said, I am under the impression, right or wrong, that these overseas agreement countries merely assist DSP recipients with family ties in those countries to reside with or near family and hence allow a 'form' of portability of DSP. I am not under the impression that if you reside in that country you are released from compliance and reporting requirements of Australian law. I am further under the impression that if you wished to avail yourself of an agreement countries benefits then you would need to apply and be accepted under that agreement countries rules and regulations. And do not forget that the conventions of the overseas agreements are to assist government to government and I am yet to hear of any country, excepting perhaps Norway, that will go out of their way to help their citizens to receive a benefit while living overseas.
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Post by fedup on Sept 25, 2013 10:16:52 GMT 7
www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013C00024/Html/Volume_1#_Toc345491693Article five and six Anyway I will be back this week as I have only been VISITING for two months,sorting out personal matters,and therefore was receiving uninterrupted but slightly reduced DSP pension I have all my documents ready for an ASSAT appeal,and may be contacting welfare rights on my return And in a couple of weeks will have to leave for third time ,to attend other personal matters ,this time to a third country but for less than six weeks This is where ULP of DSP solves all the hassles dealing with this garbage,the unknown factors,the truth, the untruths and whats what,contacting anyone is fine,IF YOU GET THE SAME ANSWERS AND THEY ARE CORRECT,otherwise back on the MERRYGOROUND
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Post by fedup on Sept 25, 2013 10:32:53 GMT 7
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Post by Denis-NFA on Sept 26, 2013 4:34:04 GMT 7
I had a look at the links you provided fedup and I can see that my hazy understanding was completely incorrect. That's a can of worms for you to untangle, that's for sure. If I now have the start of an understanding on your situation this whole Agreement Country pension area probably deserves a separate thread. No wonder you are 'fedup'.
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Post by fedup on Sept 27, 2013 16:08:42 GMT 7
Indeed ,fed up to say the least,WE should NOT be the ones having to analyze this and that,legislation etc,as if we don't have enough to do,looking after our health,
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