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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 6:57:45 GMT 7
The NDIS, when implemented, will have an impact on DSP'ers. Yes l wonder what happens to us 400,000 DSP's who aren't considered serious enough for the NDIS, will they leave us alone or maybe force us to sign up to the greedy ,money grabbing, job networks.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Nov 13, 2013 8:21:29 GMT 7
Yes l wonder what happens to us 400,000 DSP's who aren't considered serious enough for the NDIS, will they leave us alone or maybe force us to sign up to the greedy ,money grabbing, job networks. This is just from my reading and understanding of the current legislation and most of this will take them time but I think that, If you are under 35 then I think you can expect a review; If your 20 points of disability was made up from more than one table then you can expect a review.
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Post by anotherdsp on Nov 13, 2013 10:31:48 GMT 7
to everyone, this is what welfare rights have to say about reassessment when called in for a reveiw?(nothing to do with applying for u/p) but it is stated she is not a laywer??
Grandfathering for Centrelink payments is when there is a change to qualification for a payment and that for those granted before a particular date they retain the previous qualification criteria usually unless they have their payments cancelled.
The conditions for the payment of your DSP are grandfathered in that you were granted before the Welfare to Work changes that were announced on 11 May 2005 and came fully into effect from 1 July 2006. The major change was that when you qualified before 2005 to get DSP you had to have 20 impairment points and less than 30 hours per week capacity to work for award wages for two years.
From 1 July 2006 to get DSP you had to have 20 impairment points and less than 15 hours per week capacity to work without intervention for the next two years. When your DSP is reviewed they have to assess that you have less than 30 hours per week capacity to work for the next two years rather than the post welfare to work qualification.
Since you were originally granted DSP the impairment tables have changed. From 1 January 2012 the Impairment Tables were revised and after that time anyone who applied for DSP or has their DSP entitlement reviewed, the new Impairment Tables are used. The new Impairment Tables are tougher than the previous tables which your original DSP would have been assessed against to get your 20 impairment points. We have found that some people who were qualified under the old impairment tables are no longer qualified. Unfortunately even if your DSP entitlement is grandfathered in relation to the pre-2006 welfare to work qualifications the new impairment tables which are the current impairment tables have to be used when doing the review of your entitlement.
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Post by mikey on Nov 13, 2013 12:24:01 GMT 7
The reason I think there is an automated process going on is. 1. I have 10 weeks before I need to provide info. 2. I spoke to Centrelink and I qualified in 1 table at 20 points on previous rules. 3. I live in Tasmania, and unemployment is chronic, so they aren't trying to make it worse by making judgements. 4. I flagged I would be trying to earn money by being self employed. 5. I went overseas for 6 weeks in April/May, overstayed by 2 weeks, always notified them, then after returning, got a new concession card with date of DSP start changed to May 2013 6. I'm over 40, and was when I qualified for DSP. They are going to review everyone I suspect. I should pass, but my specialist is there to spell out the facts, not plead my case, so I am hoping that the person interviewing at the time of my review, recognises that I am trying, even if I can't participate fully in society these days. Yes, I do some volunteer work a few hours a week, to give a little back, since I do receive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 16:10:02 GMT 7
to everyone, this is what welfare rights have to say about reassessment when called in for a reveiw?(nothing to do with applying for u/p) but it is stated she is not a laywer?? Grandfathering for Centrelink payments is when there is a change to qualification for a payment and that for those granted before a particular date they retain the previous qualification criteria usually unless they have their payments cancelled. The conditions for the payment of your DSP are grandfathered in that you were granted before the Welfare to Work changes that were announced on 11 May 2005 and came fully into effect from 1 July 2006. The major change was that when you qualified before 2005 to get DSP you had to have 20 impairment points and less than 30 hours per week capacity to work for award wages for two years. From 1 July 2006 to get DSP you had to have 20 impairment points and less than 15 hours per week capacity to work without intervention for the next two years. When your DSP is reviewed they have to assess that you have less than 30 hours per week capacity to work for the next two years rather than the post welfare to work qualification. Since you were originally granted DSP the impairment tables have changed. From 1 January 2012 the Impairment Tables were revised and after that time anyone who applied for DSP or has their DSP entitlement reviewed, the new Impairment Tables are used. The new Impairment Tables are tougher than the previous tables which your original DSP would have been assessed against to get your 20 impairment points. We have found that some people who were qualified under the old impairment tables are no longer qualified. Unfortunately even if your DSP entitlement is grandfathered in relation to the pre-2006 welfare to work qualifications the new impairment tables which are the current impairment tables have to be used when doing the review of your entitlement. So for example Someone who got their DSP in 2003 and their disability or medical problem has not improved or even gotten worse in the past 10 years, if they get reassessed now under the tough new 2011 tables they could end up losing the DSP . Seems totally unfair to me.
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Post by zingzingzing on Nov 13, 2013 16:21:25 GMT 7
to everyone, this is what welfare rights have to say about reassessment when called in for a reveiw?(nothing to do with applying for u/p) but it is stated she is not a laywer?? Grandfathering for Centrelink payments is when there is a change to qualification for a payment and that for those granted before a particular date they retain the previous qualification criteria usually unless they have their payments cancelled. The conditions for the payment of your DSP are grandfathered in that you were granted before the Welfare to Work changes that were announced on 11 May 2005 and came fully into effect from 1 July 2006. The major change was that when you qualified before 2005 to get DSP you had to have 20 impairment points and less than 30 hours per week capacity to work for award wages for two years. From 1 July 2006 to get DSP you had to have 20 impairment points and less than 15 hours per week capacity to work without intervention for the next two years. When your DSP is reviewed they have to assess that you have less than 30 hours per week capacity to work for the next two years rather than the post welfare to work qualification. Since you were originally granted DSP the impairment tables have changed. From 1 January 2012 the Impairment Tables were revised and after that time anyone who applied for DSP or has their DSP entitlement reviewed, the new Impairment Tables are used. The new Impairment Tables are tougher than the previous tables which your original DSP would have been assessed against to get your 20 impairment points. We have found that some people who were qualified under the old impairment tables are no longer qualified. Unfortunately even if your DSP entitlement is grandfathered in relation to the pre-2006 welfare to work qualifications the new impairment tables which are the current impairment tables have to be used when doing the review of your entitlement. So for example Someone who got their DSP in 2003 and their disability or medical problem has not improved or even gotten worse in the past 10 years, if they get reassessed now under the tough new 2011 tables they could end up losing the DSP and placed on the Dole of only $250 per week and all the useless mutual obligation programs. Seems totally unfair to me. Yup: 1. Keep being on DSP. 2. Transfer to Portability etc. 3. Loose DSP.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Nov 14, 2013 3:42:33 GMT 7
They are going to review everyone I suspect. Over time, I think it is certain they will review everyone.
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Post by anotherdsp on Nov 14, 2013 6:53:18 GMT 7
to zzz, Yup:
1. Keep being on DSP. 2. Transfer to Portability etc. 3. Loose DSP. i not really understand what you mean mate?
to frugle, well not much can be done with the rule changes,that is our lot now? we just have to live with it! but yes it is sad that some people could lose their pension.
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Post by zingzingzing on Nov 14, 2013 7:31:57 GMT 7
to zzz, Yup: 1. Keep being on DSP. 2. Transfer to Portability etc. 3. Loose DSP. i not really understand what you mean mate? to frugle, well not much can be done with the rule changes,that is our lot now? we just have to live with it! but yes it is sad that some people could lose their pension. Anotherdsp: When I applied for Portability, there were those 3 options offered to me, depending of the results, so I am assuming the review also applies to the two options there (1&3).
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Post by anotherdsp on Nov 14, 2013 10:43:45 GMT 7
to zingzing, oh ok mate sorry i am a little bit foggy this morn!
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Post by zingzingzing on Nov 14, 2013 11:35:32 GMT 7
to zingzing, oh ok mate sorry i am a little bit foggy this morn! No drama
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Post by aussieinusa on Dec 4, 2013 10:02:01 GMT 7
Do I think because of the new tables I'll be back on Newstart, I don't know. Do I think it has anything to do with trying to be proactive, I don't know. Do I think it's cheaper for them to make us all give our gp/specialist a form to fill out, and then reassess... Yes. Of course I'll go through all the processes/hoops they want, but as I watch a new parliament sit today, they've had 2 months to start this process. Good luck all. mikey, you sound like a smart fellow, so if you haven't been assessed yet, you might find it helpful to take a look at the Assessment Tables yourself. There's a link to download them here: dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/529The Assessment Tables are important; they're what CL staff use internally to determine whether each person is 'disabled enough' to get DSP. You can take a look at the actual criteria they'll use to decide whether you qualify now (because I'm pretty sure you'll be assessed under the new tables, sorry) and see whether you'll get DSP. Additionally, they're not allowed to take your word about any of it, so you need documentation to PROVE what level of impairment applies to you... reports from a GP or specialist, disability support worker, social worker, or whatever other experts apply to your specific disability. As for being proactive: if you emphasise to them that you're trying to become self-employed because your disability makes it impossible for you to turn up to someone's office 40+ hours per week to do a pre-existing job, they do understand. For many of us, self-employment is the only option flexible enough to accommodate our health issues, because even if we're lucky enough to have 15-20 hours each week when we're able to work, we don't know in advance which 15-20 hours they'll be! And not many bosses are willing to be quite THAT flexible. (Well, zero that I've found, and at this point, I've been looking for about a decade.) I'm also an IT industry reject; ironically, I used to run the web site for a federal govt agency. Even govt IT work demands long hours and one-way flexibility (as in, you've gotta be available to work whenever, wherever and whatever they want, but they don't offer any flexibility in return) since so much of it is outsourced now. In theory, there's no reason why the vast majority of IT jobs can't be telecommute jobs that could be done on a laptop in bed... which I could do! But unfortunately, the industry still seems obsessed with seeing people at their desks working, which is the one thing that rules me out of working. Very annoying.
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Post by mikey on Jan 28, 2014 12:33:22 GMT 7
Thanks aus I've been following your posts for awhile. The assessment is due already, but as I'm in a public hospital queue both tests, and form filling come at hospitals descretion. Lucky I'm proactive so centerlink here in hobart make an effort on your behalf if it's obvious you at least are trying. I remember sitting in a hospital bed in 2008 at royal north shore doing updates for OPSM's website, cause the project manager had gone on holiday after making a commitment. I'd returned from Cambodia for tests, and halfway through cursing wireless internet speeds, the guy in the bed next to me had a stroke. Lovely young guy in his prime. Total perspective after that. No free lunches no matter what you do.
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