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Post by ghostbuster on Jan 31, 2014 13:31:32 GMT 7
You are absolutely spot on Banjo. How anyone can get the proper concept for the Philippines by using Angeles as a comparison is just ignorant. I have been to many places in Philippines over the 7 years i have lived here and Angeles is the pits. Get out to some of the islands and it will open your eyes. Example: I moved from Manila, was paying 18,500 pesos a month for a 1 bedroom apartment to a 2 bedroom house up and down for 8,500 a month. So you see if you want to live near the action you will pay top dollar (peso).
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jan 31, 2014 16:18:47 GMT 7
I never have any trouble with the Thai police, indeed I count one of the local officers among my closest Thai friends. The problem with huge tourist areas, particularly those involving the sex industry, is that corruption becomes endemic among poorly paid police and other public servants. Once you're away from that it's more like Australia in the 50s, sure they accept gifts and discounts from local businesses but law and order is maintained, often at the cost of "going by the book". To be honest I cannot see why anyone on a pension would want to live in places like Angeles City and Pattaya, the whole concept of a cheaper lifestyle goes out the door and the crime rate is many times that in rural areas and provincial towns. I also agree Banjo. You could not pay me enough money to live in one of the cities like Angeles City, Manila or Cebu City and suburbs. |
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Post by itsmylife08 on Jan 31, 2014 17:33:56 GMT 7
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jan 31, 2014 18:32:14 GMT 7
I also agree Banjo. You could not pay me enough money to live in one of the cities like Angeles City, Manila or Cebu City and suburbs Please explain N F A what is wrong with Cebu City and suburbs  Fair question itsmylife08 and the short answer is as follows, I grew up in an area of Western NSW that had (it's even less now) a population density of about 1 person per square kilometre. According to Wikipedia, Melbourne has a population density of 1,567/sq km and a metropolitan area of 9,990 sq km; Metro Cebu has a population density of 2,200/sq km and a metropolitan area of 1,163 sq km; but where I live on the island of Cebu has a population density of 360/sq km. I also wouldn't live in Sydney if you paid me. |
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jan 31, 2014 18:39:57 GMT 7
and Angeles has a population density of 5,400 per sq km
and Manila has an urban city density of 15,400 per square kilometre
and Pattaya has 4,700 per sq km
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Post by Banjo on Jan 31, 2014 20:03:38 GMT 7
Not necessarily to everyone's taste though.
I spent the night in Udon Thani, a large industrial city in NE Thailand, a couple of weeks back and went for a walk around the city center to get a meal and see what ever sights there were to be seen.
The place was full of foreigners, obviously living there... trust me I can tell... and the many bars (just drinking holes) were full of the same.
What the attraction was is beyond me, the traffic was dreadful with accompanying pollution problems, but they all seemed to be having a good time.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jan 31, 2014 21:55:19 GMT 7
Not necessarily to everyone's taste though. I spent the night in Udon Thani, a large industrial city in NE Thailand, a couple of weeks back and went for a walk around the city center to get a meal and see what ever sights there were to be seen. The place was full of foreigners, obviously living there... trust me I can tell... and the many bars (just drinking holes) were full of the same. What the attraction was is beyond me, the traffic was dreadful with accompanying pollution problems, but they all seemed to be having a good time. I looked up Udon Thani and from the photograph it seems like they have a certain amount of pollution. Perhaps the foreigners came from industrial towns..  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 10:22:23 GMT 7
Thankfully it is all about personal choice, just as I could not see why one would want to live in country Thailand. I have tried it and it did absolutely nothing for me, extremely boring and brain deadening.I live in Jomtien over the hill away from the hum drum.
So far as Police go, it does not matter where you live, they are the same and I have experienced both. To believe that the Police are any better in the country than Pattaya or Bkk is extremely naive.
I did not live in Angeles and would not, on a permanent basis. But if I move to Philippines at a later stage which is a possibility, I will move to an area where there is a strong Western presence for the same reasons as above.
The fact that I am on a pension does not mean I have to live like a recluse. My cost of living is still much lower here than in Australia (when I am here). Again my choice.
But I enjoy the company of my fellow Australians and other westerners over a beer here and the camaraderie that I can engage in. You have been in this country a good while Banjo, dont think for a second, your Police friend would not think twice about you if there was money involved.
I think your response was a bit out of order on this occasion, sorry to say.
I was responding to a blog by another member and expressing a view which is what this forum is about. HIs situation only highlighted exactly what my blog enunciated, that he got no help from Police whatsoever, for which on face value, seems a serious assault. He was rightly upset by that. That sort of Police behaviour is the usual response unless there is money exchanging hands to get them to do their job.
What level of pay they are on is irrelevant-if they are underpaid, then there are options available to them to try and argue for increases, whether likely or not. Rather than use criminal behaviour to extort it from others, whether foreign or otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 10:32:38 GMT 7
I haven't been to Phils for nearly two years, but when there, did exactly what you talk about, went to Leyte, Bohol, Cebu, Davao Subic Bay and if and when I settle in Phils it will not be in Angeles. At no stage have I suggested that Angeles is the be all and end all, in quite I find it the opposite. But it is an ideal point to use as exit point for other locations in Philippines.
My gf is Filipino and we will closely examine all our options and use her knowledge of the country to select an appropriate place to reside - but it will be where there is a strong western presence for reasons I have given elsewhere on this forum.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 2, 2014 10:44:07 GMT 7
I like Dumaguete on Negros, a nice city with a few expats.
Also Mindoro.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 11:01:17 GMT 7
Thanks for those suggestions Banjo, my gf agrees with your suggestions. Was to go to Dumaguette last time but the cyclone arrived and we had to fly back to Angeles as all boats were stopped. I have been told it is very nice also. She says Mindoro is down the south Luzon and she has a cousin who lives there.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 2, 2014 13:20:32 GMT 7
I had a week at Sabang Beach, Mindoro once, I liked it that much I nearly rented an apartment and bought a boat on the spot. A few tourists, mainly the dive scene mob.    |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 19:07:09 GMT 7
Thanks for the photos Banjo, that seems a bit of me, love to live by the water (dont know why) is there much of western presence there other than tourists? Or did you not get a chance to find out? My gf also said she has been told it is very beautiful there.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 3, 2014 20:43:37 GMT 7
One of our members lives there, I'll check his name.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Feb 4, 2014 6:34:45 GMT 7
Anywhere from Argao to Dumaghetti is good... there are Australians embedded.
CarCar is the furthest North I would go.
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