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Post by aussieinusa on Mar 11, 2014 7:34:51 GMT 7
We argued over the terms "indefinite" and "unlimited" for portability for a while but the fact is that While it states "unlimited" in the legislation, the Guide to Social Security Law uses "indefinite. ...and it seems that CL staff say "we're reassessing you" (or at least they have to me), while the Guide (and most of the letters people on here have received) say 'review' instead. Yes, it's all very confusing. Bureaucracy!
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Post by aussieinusa on Mar 11, 2014 7:44:38 GMT 7
Great post Aussieinusa, it will be useful for when l get the dreaded phone call or letter calling me in for re-assessment @frugle: Yes it could happen any day. But many of us DSPers go years -- sometimes a decade -- between reviews. And if your file says 'manifestly disabled', you might not EVER be forced to prove you're still 'disabled enough'. (Sometimes the system is clever enough to work out that your arms / legs / eyes / kidneys really won't grow back, and your vertebrae won't un-fuse themselves, and any chance of your sanity returning is negated by dealing with CL (who could drive anyone completely bonkers) so your disability really is permanent. Sometimes. Not always.) The time to worry about it is when (if) it happens. Try to relax in the meantime. But maybe keep your own copies of important medical paperwork, so you're prepared if it ever does happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 8:17:43 GMT 7
Great post Aussieinusa, it will be useful for when l get the dreaded phone call or letter calling me in for re-assessment @frugle: Yes it could happen any day. But many of us DSPers go years -- sometimes a decade -- between reviews. And if your file says 'manifestly disabled', you might not EVER be forced to prove you're still 'disabled enough'. (Sometimes the system is clever enough to work out that your arms / legs / eyes / kidneys really won't grow back, and your vertebrae won't un-fuse themselves, and any chance of your sanity returning is negated by dealing with CL (who could drive anyone completely bonkers) so your disability really is permanent. Sometimes. Not always.) The time to worry about it is when (if) it happens. Try to relax in the meantime. But maybe keep your own copies of important medical paperwork, so you're prepared if it ever does happen. l got the DSP in 2008, haven't been reviewed yet.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Mar 12, 2014 2:49:00 GMT 7
Great post Aussieinusa, it will be useful for when l get the dreaded phone call or letter calling me in for re-assessment @frugle: Yes it could happen any day. But many of us DSPers go years -- sometimes a decade -- between reviews. And if your file says 'manifestly disabled', you might not EVER be forced to prove you're still 'disabled enough'. (Sometimes the system is clever enough to work out that your arms / legs / eyes / kidneys really won't grow back, and your vertebrae won't un-fuse themselves, and any chance of your sanity returning is negated by dealing with CL (who could drive anyone completely bonkers) so your disability really is permanent. Sometimes. Not always.) The time to worry about it is when (if) it happens. Try to relax in the meantime. But maybe keep your own copies of important medical paperwork, so you're prepared if it ever does happen. Dear aussieinusaThank you.
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Post by muggins on Mar 12, 2014 4:38:29 GMT 7
Dear aussieinusa,
While Centrelink staff may have in there vocabulary the word "reassessment", it is not part of any documentation or legislation. While this thread is a helpful guide, it is confusing and misleading, could you please update this thread as you are claiming that 'reassessment' and 'review' are two different things. They are the same thing.
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Post by Banjo on Mar 12, 2014 7:46:07 GMT 7
I'm out of town so I have no time to look into this, plus I'm working on a tablet but my take is a review is any investigation into your status... Residency,financial etc, but a reassessment is a new examination of your medical qualification for the DSP. In such, your are reassessed under the latest impairment tables.
Centrelink can review you themselves, often without your knowledge, to reassess you they need new medical evidence that you must provide.
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Post by mikey on Mar 29, 2014 19:02:33 GMT 7
From my recent experience, if you recieve a big envelope with 1 medical report form for your GP/Specialist and 1 form for you to complete, you are being reassessed under the new tables for eligibility on medical grounds. You have 3 months to return the forms. After returning the forms, Centrelink decided quickly I needed to attend a Job Capacity Assessment. At the interview I was told I was being re-assessed under the new tables. Under the new tables, my condition which is physical, wasn't as clear cut. Another pre-existing condition that was not part of my medical report when I first applied made the difference. My capacity changed from 0-7 hours to 8-15 hours, which is fine as I was very unwell when I first applied, but now the disability is the issue, not the underlying illness that caused it. Everything aussieinusa lists in being prepared is very worth going through. The person doing the JCA writes a report, but someone else in Centerlink makes the decision. I was notified within a week through online letters that I would stay on DSP.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 4:49:17 GMT 7
From my recent experience, if you recieve a big envelope with 1 medical report form for your GP/Specialist and 1 form for you to complete, you are being reassessed under the new tables for eligibility on medical grounds. You have 3 months to return the forms. After returning the forms, Centrelink decided quickly I needed to attend a Job Capacity Assessment. At the interview I was told I was being re-assessed under the new tables. Under the new tables, my condition which is physical, wasn't as clear cut. Another pre-existing condition that was not part of my medical report when I first applied made the difference. My capacity changed from 0-7 hours to 8-15 hours, which is fine as I was very unwell when I first applied, but now the disability is the issue, not the underlying illness that caused it. Everything aussieinusa lists in being prepared is very worth going through. The person doing the JCA writes a report, but someone else in Centerlink makes the decision. I was notified within a week through online letters that I would stay on DSP. Hi mIkey, glad you passed, Do you think they just chose you at random for reassessment or did something trigger it. When was your last reassessment? l got the DSP in 2008 and haven't been reassessed since then.
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Post by mikey on Mar 31, 2014 4:00:31 GMT 7
I was granted DSP in 2010. I'd got an ABN to do some computer work for family and friends and had to declare this to Centrelink. 3 weeks later I got the medical forms in the post. I'd say it's an automated system, that is highlighting potential reviews, especially if assessed under the old tables and your qualification would not be clear cut under the new tables. They maybe working backwards from most recent under old tables. I don't believe the intention is to simply get people off DSP, but to get people into some kind of part time work/activity. I had my JCA with the same person as my original assessment. The shock jocks on Sydney radio may scream about scams and rorts, but the person doing the assessment has been in the role a long time, and has dealt with 1000's of people with disability. Their humanity doesn't suddenly vanish, but the system they work within is making it harder for them. Get to know the tables and how they now apply to your circumstance. They give examples in the documentation on the website.
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Post by aussieinusa on Apr 1, 2014 11:49:18 GMT 7
From my recent experience, if you recieve a big envelope with 1 medical report form for your GP/Specialist and 1 form for you to complete, you are being reassessed under the new tables for eligibility on medical grounds. You have 3 months to return the forms. After returning the forms, Centrelink decided quickly I needed to attend a Job Capacity Assessment. At the interview I was told I was being re-assessed under the new tables. Under the new tables, my condition which is physical, wasn't as clear cut. Another pre-existing condition that was not part of my medical report when I first applied made the difference. My capacity changed from 0-7 hours to 8-15 hours, which is fine as I was very unwell when I first applied, but now the disability is the issue, not the underlying illness that caused it. Everything aussieinusa lists in being prepared is very worth going through. The person doing the JCA writes a report, but someone else in Centerlink makes the decision. I was notified within a week through online letters that I would stay on DSP. Thank you for sharing your firsthand experience, mikey. Even without changes to the legislation, the exact way CL (or any govt agency) can change the way they implement policies from time to time. The only way to know for sure how they're doing things is through accounts like yours. Anyone else who's been reassessed recently, please share!
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Post by jim on Sept 20, 2014 13:48:47 GMT 7
Hi All, Im new to the site just thought id share my situation. On June 27th I received a big letter from Wollongong as i opened it, it was from centrelink it was dsp review form one for me to fill out the other for my doctor. It had to be returned by Aug 15th. Being worried I filled the forms out promptly and returned them on Aug 4th. Since then I have not heard from centrelink at all by phone letter nothing. I still continue to be paid as normally. Ive been on the dsp since 2010 and have only heard from them when they send me out my dsp concession card and 1 phone call earlier this year. They didn't even tell me that I was approved for the dsp way back in 2010 the only way I knew I was on it my payment went up this was very surprising to me. So I have no idea when they will contact me or if they will at all. Happy to answer any questions anyone may have.
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Post by Banjo on Sept 20, 2014 17:56:34 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum Jim.
Were the forms just for you to fill in or was there one for the doctor? Did they want medical information or was it about activities or work you may be doing?
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Post by jim on Sept 20, 2014 21:52:16 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum Jim. Were the forms just for you to fill in or was there one for the doctor? Did they want medical information or was it about activities or work you may be doing? Thanks, 1 form was for me. The other for the doctor which included the same questions from 4 years ago when 1st applied like. Will my condition last longer than 2 years all tick the box questions. Wanted all medical information like medication how long ive been treated for my illness. ph number to contact doctor if they need too. My form was pretty silly as it basically the same questions that the doctor form had. And I had only round 15 days to complete and send in. Lucky my doctor took the time to fill it out.
Before I filled forms in I rung centrelink and waited for 35 mins to talk to someone and try to find out why I got the letter and they said because the government put new laws in july 1st that I must complete both forms in or I will be suspended.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Sept 21, 2014 5:21:01 GMT 7
Hi All, Im new to the site just thought id share my situation. On June 27th I received a big letter from Wollongong as i opened it, it was from centrelink it was dsp review form one for me to fill out the other for my doctor. It had to be returned by Aug 15th. Being worried I filled the forms out promptly and returned them on Aug 4th. Since then I have not heard from centrelink at all by phone letter nothing. I still continue to be paid as normally. Ive been on the dsp since 2010 and have only heard from them when they send me out my dsp concession card and 1 phone call earlier this year. They didn't even tell me that I was approved for the dsp way back in 2010 the only way I knew I was on it my payment went up this was very surprising to me. So I have no idea when they will contact me or if they will at all. Happy to answer any questions anyone may have. G'day jimYou may have already done it but I have found that registering with myGov and Centrelink Online is the best way to keep an eye on what they are doing. You need to register with myGov, top right hand on www.humanservices.gov.au/, to get notification of letters from them. Cheers
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Post by Banjo on Sept 21, 2014 7:11:13 GMT 7
I'm not sure what they're up to, if your doctor was not too concerned I would say it's just a standard review and there's not a great deal you can do until Centrelink get back to you. Or not get back to you which would be a better result. I suppose you could ring Welfare Rights in your home state and ask if they have heard of any similar cases. www.welfarerights.org.au/organisations/nt
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