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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 7:12:23 GMT 7
Retrospectivity sucks!! And makes a mockery of previous grandfathering. Cheers bear yes it makes me angry they do that, someone can qualify for the DSP in 2010 and they say your permanently disabled and not well enough to work, then a couple years later they bring in new medical tables and reassess you and even though theres been absolutely no improvement in his health over the past couple years ,they say " welcome to newstart, your now well enough to work"
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Post by scallywag on May 14, 2014 7:29:26 GMT 7
Just 20 points in one table for UP and unable of performing any work independently of a program of support within the next five years.
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Post by ding on May 14, 2014 7:51:59 GMT 7
Yes blahblahblah, I'm running the two situations into each other. My apology for that.
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Post by blahblahblah on May 14, 2014 8:12:33 GMT 7
No need to apologise Just trying to be accurate as the whole thing is confusing enough.
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Post by aussy on May 14, 2014 8:18:52 GMT 7
Well what a great way for the Government to save $12 mill a year by limiting DSP recipients to only 4 weeks payment while o/seas per year. The increase costs of appeals and applications for UP would surely exceed that amount by far. It would be interesting to know the calculations that were made to arrive at a saving of $12 mill. It is clear to me that DSP recipients are being discriminated against by not allowing more than 4 weeks o/seas travel per year. What other country forbids there citizens to only travel for 4 weeks a year??
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Post by stomppr on May 14, 2014 8:35:03 GMT 7
Well what a great way for the Government to save $12 mill a year by limiting DSP recipients to only 4 weeks payment while o/seas per year. The increase costs of appeals and applications for UP would surely exceed that amount by far. It would be interesting to know the calculations that were made to arrive at a saving of $12 mill. It is clear to me that DSP recipients are being discriminated against by not allowing more than 4 weeks o/seas travel per year. What other country forbids there citizens to only travel for 4 weeks a year?? You can spend as much time overseas as you wish! you just do not get paid your pension the real reason Andrews went after o/s travel is this!!!!! The Government will provide $20.0 million over two years to assist couples to access marriage and relationship education and counselling. Under this trial, the Government will issue $200 vouchers to up to 100,000 couples between 1 July 2014 and 30 June 2015. This measure delivers on the Government's election commitment. Further information can be found in the press release of 28 February 2014 issued by the Minister for Social Services.
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Post by scallywag on May 14, 2014 8:49:49 GMT 7
Well what a great way for the Government to save $12 mill a year by limiting DSP recipients to only 4 weeks payment while o/seas per year. The increase costs of appeals and applications for UP would surely exceed that amount by far. It would be interesting to know the calculations that were made to arrive at a saving of $12 mill. It is clear to me that DSP recipients are being discriminated against by not allowing more than 4 weeks o/seas travel per year. What other country forbids there citizens to only travel for 4 weeks a year?? You can spend as much time overseas as you wish! you just do not get paid your pension the real reason Andrews went after o/s travel is this!!!!! The Government will provide $20.0 million over two years to assist couples to access marriage and relationship education and counselling. Under this trial, the Government will issue $200 vouchers to up to 100,000 couples between 1 July 2014 and 30 June 2015. This measure delivers on the Government's election commitment. Further information can be found in the press release of 28 February 2014 issued by the Minister for Social Services. $200 to beat someone around the head with a bible,,,I wish I could get that job.
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Post by roxane on May 14, 2014 8:50:02 GMT 7
so 4 weeks, what if you leave on the 01 Dec, can you use the 4 weeks the next year? so 4 weeks in dec and 4 weeks in jan or they force you to come back either way after 4 weeks? Can you accumulate the weeks if you don't travel for 5 years at all like if you were working you could accumulate the weeks if you haven't used it. That would be fairer.
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Post by immiadvice on May 14, 2014 8:54:36 GMT 7
I just spoke with Centrelink international. Sadly, they are not up to date, wasn't really expecting them to be. They said the changes probably won't affect those granted IP.
He took my number and said he would call back after elevating the question for a confirmed answer.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 9:01:16 GMT 7
kevinandrews.dss.gov.au/media-releases/84From 1 January 2015, recipients of the DSP who travel overseas for more than four weeks in a twelve month period will need to reapply for the payment. There will be some exemptions, for example, for people with terminal illness or permanent and severe disability and no future work capacity. Cut off after 4 weeks and have to reapply under new tables. very strange...
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Post by immiadvice on May 14, 2014 9:06:29 GMT 7
kevinandrews.dss.gov.au/media-releases/84From 1 January 2015, recipients of the DSP who travel overseas for more than four weeks in a twelve month period will need to reapply for the payment. There will be some exemptions, for example, for people with terminal illness or permanent and severe disability and no future work capacity.Cut off after 4 weeks and have to reapply under new tables. very strange... Well that is the criteria for IP. Looks like its OK. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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Post by roxane on May 14, 2014 9:07:31 GMT 7
kevinandrews.dss.gov.au/media-releases/84From 1 January 2015, recipients of the DSP who travel overseas for more than four weeks in a twelve month period will need to reapply for the payment. There will be some exemptions, for example, for people with terminal illness or permanent and severe disability and no future work capacity. Cut off after 4 weeks and have to reapply under new tables. very strange... what the f... b4 they said people will be penalised staying over 4 week,s now will be completely cut off and will need to reapply? ? Australia can't deny its history. It's always been an island to jail unwanted people. We just had some years where it was a bit more open, but this one is a life sentence.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 9:17:32 GMT 7
Tricky sneaky those guys, this information was hidden on andrews media release website.
very sneaky....
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Post by roxane on May 14, 2014 9:26:53 GMT 7
ok, I just talked to CI, they don't know much, but they said carers possibly won't be affected by the changes. Don't take it granted, it's just a maybe. We might find out more nasty things in future media releases. Just because it's not mentioned, doesn't mean it won' be.
sneaky? no it's not sneaky, it's very calculated. If you over stay your 4 w just by 1 hr, you'll need to reapply and could lose everything, pushing you to newstart, which you won't even get for 6 month. That what they want.
So what's now? Should we start writing and if yes to who and what? Or it's a waste of time?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 9:31:43 GMT 7
Waste of time roxane. Only thing you can do, run to the doctors get your papers updated and apply for UP with the chance of losing everything.
I bet they will change this whole UP in future as well. They did simular stuff in UK.
UP means nothing more that you unable to work for a period of 5 years. After 5years they can start all over again.
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