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Post by fedup on Jun 7, 2014 7:24:54 GMT 7
Let me explain I am are was who knows getting paid DSP under a mutual agreement,Where one can travel to a third country for up to 26 weeks.okay To get this payment and conditions,one must be reassessed,okay and pass,this assessment .okay Assessed and passed and entitled.okay Went away for a few months for personal family matters,returned to oz for dental ,medical and family matters .okay Did the right thing and rang C/L international,advising I was back in town,although they already knew this re immigration Spoke to a nasty piece of work who said if I leave again I will only be allowed out on parole for 6 weeks or be cut off.hmmmm Tried to play games and said you told me you are going to NZ for 4 Weeks,so you can go for up to 6 weeks,told her ,IRRELEVANT UNDER MUTUAL AGREEMENT,told me again,You are not being paid under the agreement,hmmm Told her how can that be if I am being paid under a mutual agreement,was told I am not being paid under a mutual agreement,asked how so, told again ,was only for my last trip,blood pressure rising Told miss nasty pants,I have a letter in my hand staing I AM BEING PAID UNDER MUTUAL AGREEMENT, told again no I am not.blood pressure rising Told her ,how's that again,replied,I am putting you through to someone else ,I WON'T BE SHOUTED AT,good riddance, Put on to another clown said the same thing, after some discussion,referencing etc,said because THEY DIDN'T PUT MY RESIDENCE IN NZ DOWN ON THEIR RECORDS,THAT THAT WAS WHERE THE MISTAKE WAS MADE, YEAH RIGHT Said you will now be paid under the mutual agreement, can go to a third country ,up to 26 weeks ,BUT your pension will be reduced, said to,him it has already being reduced,Ping pong ping pong ping pong,blood pressure rising has hasn't has hasn't ,What's with these morons and their info,my pension has being reduced for the last four months ,FACT,yet he is saying it hasn't,NOW LOSING MY MIND. Anyway told him I want confirmation in writing ,Once again,Staing I am being paid under the mutual agreement,said no problem sir I will,have that done today,information will be updated and YOU WILL,BE PAID UNDER THE MUTUAL AGREEMENT WITH NZ I WAS AND STILL,ARE BEING PAID UNDER THIS AGREEMENT,LUNATICS RUNNING THE ASSYLUM All recorded on my phone ,for personal reference, was also told that I AM an Australian Resident , Do these people ever tell you something you don't know Sheeesssh Read more: dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/3139/centrelink-games-tickery?page=1&scrollTo=27996#ixzz33uNPAaT6
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Post by fedup on Jun 9, 2014 18:40:02 GMT 7
Hmmmm I need someone to interpret this most recent letter
ANYONE??
Your plans to travel This letter gives you information about receiving payments and concession card entitlements when you leave Australia. What happens to your payments and concession card entitlements You have advised us that you intend to depart Australia on 25 July 2014. While you are outside Australia • Your Disability Support Pension may be paid indefinitely. When you leave Australia • Your Clean Energy Supplement cannot be paid. • Your Pensioner Concession Card is cancelled. • Your Pension Supplement reduces to the basic rate. • Your Disability Support Pension rate may be affected by the length of time you lived in Australia and/or New Zealand. Your Clean Energy Supplement and Pensioner Concession Card is not payable from the day you leave Australia as you are no longer a resident of Australia. How you will be paid Your payments will be paid into your bank account outside Australia every four weeks. You will have to pay any fees your bank charges as part of this process. Australian Pension News You will soon receive a copy of Australian Pension News. This publication contains information you may find useful, including the likely arrival times of your four-weekly payments. The publication is sent in May and November of each year. New editions can be found on our website at humanservices.gov.au and searching ‘Australian Pension News’. While you are outside Australia If your payment remains current it will continue to be affected by any changes that would normally impact on it. For example if your relationship status changes, or your income or assets change such as receiving a new source of income from another country, your rate of payment may be reduced. If you own a home in Australia and you are absent from your home for more than 12 months or leave your home permanently, your home in Australia will be assessed as an asset. If you rent out your home in Australia or buy a home in another country your payment may be affected.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 9, 2014 20:04:09 GMT 7
What parts don't you understand?
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Post by fedup on Jun 10, 2014 4:34:42 GMT 7
Under the mutual agreement with NZ,the letter should read,something to the effect ,you may go to a third country for up to 26 weeks,if you stay longer your pension will stop,as in previous letters. The way this particular letter is written,it sounds like one has ULP
• Your Disability Support Pension may be paid indefinitely. When you leave Australia.
No specifics
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 5:15:10 GMT 7
Under the mutual agreement with NZ,the letter should read,something to the effect ,you may go to a third country for up to 26 weeks,if you stay longer your pension will stop,as in previous letters. The way this particular letter is written,it sounds like one has ULP • Your Disability Support Pension may be paid indefinitely. When you leave Australia. No specifics Yep, that's how I read it, that you have UP. At least it's how I'd read it if......your DSP may be paid indefinitely when you leave Australia.....woz written on my ticket of leave letter. Cheers bear
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Post by latindancer on Jun 10, 2014 6:11:50 GMT 7
• Your Disability Support Pension may be paid indefinitely. When you leave Australia. No specifics As there are no specifics in that letter apart from the date you intend to leave, my view is that it is general information only, and the date has just been inserted later. That is how it appears to me. And when they say you may be paid indefinitely, the key word is "may"...not "will". It may be in certain circumstances, or it may not.....depending on your circumstances. Though I can see how you might see it as "may", meaning "yes, we will". It's better to call them and ask. And be aware that the waiting time on the phone is much shorter for Centrelink International than the DSP number 132717 (which can be anything from 45 to 90 minutes....and they did not offer a callback service to me on 4 occasions a couple of weeks ago, despite later confirming that it still exists, and despite my logging in with a pin number)
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Post by fedup on Jun 10, 2014 6:30:02 GMT 7
Thanks for all your replies. The purpose of putting all the above on here, is to get other opinions,and to point out how confusing and ambiguous everything can be when dealing with these clowns
If one was to misinterpret any of their letters,one could find themselves in hot water
These are supposedly legal documents,and as such should be entirely specific in what they say,some letters are specific the one above is open to interpretation
And if you have read the first post,I basically had two people telling me I was not being paid under the mutual agreement,when I told them I had the letters staing I was,in front of me
Enough to send one STARK,RAVING MAD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 7:14:55 GMT 7
Latindancer.... I certainly agree it pays to check. Though I remember being taught the difference twixt "might and may". Might meant maybe.... May meant an agreement met. If you see what I'm getting at. Cheers bear
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Post by fedup on Jun 10, 2014 13:42:42 GMT 7
I rang these clowns tues,as above,received the letter via text c/ l site yesterday
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Post by blacktulipvampire on Jun 10, 2014 16:32:44 GMT 7
Hi there, The thing that struck me first was that the letter says you are no longer a resident of Australia. As you said that the telephone call established you are still an Aust resident, I would sort that out pronto. Under the terms of Aust / NZ agreement, it seems that DSP can be paid indefinitely (albeit at a reduced rate after 26 weeks), so I do not agree with the other post that suggested UP. I don't understand why you would have been receiving a reduced pension already. From my reading of the agreement, it says you would get the inside rate ( ie not affected by working life) for the first 26 weeks. Also says that supplements are paid, so why was it already reduced - whilst o/s and certainly while back here. If deemed non resident, (or resident and intend to stay in NZ more than 12mths) then it is the outside rate from day 1. They seem to use a different calculation for working life adjustments ( harsher that the normal ones, even with the change to 35 years ). Seems it is from age 20 , not 16. Is only for the period until severe disability occurred. Is then calculated as a percentage of 540 months (45 years) and applied to the DSP rate. See SS Guide copied below:- guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/10/2/9/2010.2.9.20 Australia to New Zealand & New Zealand to Australia Moving between Australia & New Zealand Generally, payments made under the Agreement are portable indefinitely if the person travels between Australia and New Zealand. This means people being paid under the Agreement can travel between Australia and New Zealand without the time restrictions that may apply to autonomous pensioners. Australia to New Zealand People paid an Australian benefit under the Agreement who reside in Australia and travel to New Zealand temporarily will continue to have their rate calculated using the inside Australia rate in 10.2.8.30 for a period of 26 weeks. Once they have been in New Zealand for more than 26 weeks, their rate will be calculated using the outside Australia rate in 10.2.8.40. People paid an Australian benefit under the Agreement who reside in Australia and travel to New Zealand temporarily and intend to remain in New Zealand for more than 12 months, will have their rate calculated using the outside Australia rate as soon as they leave Australia. People paid under the Agreement who leave Australia permanently will have their rate calculated using the outside Australia rate in 10.2.8.40 as soon as they leave Australia. guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/10/2/8/4010.2.8.40 Outside Australia - Agreement with New Zealand Disability support pension The rate of DSP payable to a person in New Zealand is calculated as follows: 1. Calculate WAR in Australia between age 20 and date of disablement. 2. Calculate the rate the person would receive if they were in Australia and autonomously qualified. 3. Calculate WAR in New Zealand between 20 and the date of disablement. 4. Multiply the answer in Step 1 by the answer in Step 2. 5. Add the answer in Step 3 to the answer in Step 1. 6. Divide the answer in Step 4 by the answer in Step 5. This is the rate of benefit payable. Note 1: If a claimant for DSP has less than 10 years residence in New Zealand, any third country pension they receive is directly deducted from their rate. Note 2: In all the above cases, New Zealand benefit is completely disregarded.
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Post by blacktulipvampire on Jun 10, 2014 16:36:54 GMT 7
Were you told why your rate was reduced when you first went to NZ ?
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Post by Banjo on Jun 10, 2014 17:43:09 GMT 7
It possible means he is not a resident for Centrelink's purposes and I suspect that all people on the UP and overseas are not.
As long as we remain residents for any thing that matters, Medicare etc, then I suppose it doesn't matter.
The grandfathered DSPers have been non-residents for years.
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Post by fedup on Jun 10, 2014 19:43:17 GMT 7
And it is hard to answer these clowns questions when one is living in limbo.ie a gypsy, no fixed address,I am currently sharing my time in 3 countries,NZ ,Australia,and where I relocated my elderly mother to.
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Post by fedup on Jun 10, 2014 19:52:06 GMT 7
Previous letter
This letter is to confirm that you are now being paid disability support pension under the agreement between Australia and NewZealand
You have advised that you will be travelling to X on X 2014, as you are being paid under the agreement between Australia and NewZealnd,your payment may continue for up to 26 weeks in a country that is not Australia or NewZealand.
If you fail to return to Australia or NewZealand within 26 weeks of departure,your Australian pension will stop.
Blah blah blah
This is an information notice given under social security law
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Post by fedup on Jun 11, 2014 4:08:03 GMT 7
June 13 pension. $823.20
May. 30. $787.90
May. 16 $787.90
May. 2 $787.90
April. 17 $787.90
April. 4 $787.90
March.21 $773.20
March. 7 $773.20
Feb.21 $773.20
Feb7. $819.40
Jan 24. $827.10
Jan 10 $827.10 Dec 27. $827.10
Went to NZ early Dec
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