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Post by Banjo on Mar 19, 2015 19:01:29 GMT 7
Members are advised to read the tables at this link. guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/7/1/2/20Selections. DSP All (excluding those with indefinite portability (see DSP recipients below)Any temporary absence. Additional periods can be granted, after the 4 weeks has been used, for the following reasons: to seek eligible medical treatment (SSAct section 1212-'eligible medical treatment') or to attend to an acute family crisis (section 1212A) for an humanitarian purpose (section 1212B). PeriodUp to 4 weeks in a 12-month period (do not have to be consecutive days and excludes days not in receipt of the DSP). Special conditionsA recipient may receive payment during a further period of absence in approved special circumstances listed under 'Absence'. If special circumstances occur, which require the recipient to depart Australia again, after the 4 week period has been taken, a new portability period for that circumstance may be granted - but cannot continue longer than 4 weeks. Severely disabled DSP recipients may be entitled to a discretionary portability extension if they have a family member who has been posted overseas for work. SSAct section 1218AB Extended portability period for DSP A recipient whose overseas absence is for the purpose of undertaking overseas study as a part of a full-time Australian course may be paid for the duration of the overseas study as long as the study can be credited towards their Australian course. Australian apprentices in receipt of DSP will continue to be paid as long as they are working or training overseas in their Australian apprenticeship and their Commonwealth registration number in respect to a full-time Australian apprenticeship remains current. SSAct section 1218 Exception-full-time students outside Australia for purposes of Australian course All former residents (7.1.4) have a 24 month waiting period before their pension is portable outside Australia.
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Post by Banjo on Mar 19, 2015 19:04:54 GMT 7
DSP
DSP(permanently and severely impaired and no future work capacity with indefinite portability)
Absence.
Any temporary or permanent
Special conditions.
From 1 July 2012 DSP recipients with a permanent and severe impairment and no future work capacity are eligible for indefinite portability of their pension. A DSP recipient may be granted indefinite portability if the JCA indicates that, based on the evidence and the assessor's professional opinion, it is unlikely they will have any capacity to undertake work in the open employment market at or above the relevant minimum wage in the next 5 years, even with interventions. DSP recipients applying for portability under these provisions are required to undergo an assessment of their impairment and their future work capacity in Australia prior to departure.
Payment may be proportionalised (7.2.2.10) after 26 weeks overseas absence if CITW did not occur in Australia.
SSAct section 1218AAA Unlimited portability period for DSP-severely impaired disability support pensioner
SS Guide 7.1.2.10 General Rules of Portability, 7.1.1.10 Overview of Portability Legislation
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Post by Banjo on Mar 19, 2015 19:08:38 GMT 7
Overstays aren't mentioned but weren't previously either.
Those with UP can take any permanent or temporary absence, no time frame mentioned.
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Post by hypoman on May 12, 2015 10:35:42 GMT 7
I just got back to aus with 2 days to spare before my DSP was totally cancelled. I stayed 6 weeks (as i left on the 30th dec 14, so came under the old rules). i extended that to just under 13 weeks so I be spend more time with the wife and kids and my mum.
The first working day i was back i logged onto my mygov/centrelink account and it said i was to be paid $0.00 for my next payment. I quickly proceeded to centrlink and luckily they ammended it(after calling who i assumed was international) and said it was just some glitch. Its a good thing i got in on that day as if id left it one more day im sure I would have been toatlly cancelled , rather than just suspended.
The lady was quite nice and said i had already used up my 4 weeks (included in the 6 weeks), and would not be able to travel again until next year and it would be only 4 weeks then.
I asked about returning overseas unpaid to help with my wifes visa and she said, no problem - you can still travel up to 13 weeks but without pay. but dont go over the 13 weeks or you will be totally cancelled.
so if you plan on overstaying your 4 weeks and extend up to 13 weeks (without pay) just make sure they know your back and check online for your next payment. (immigration are linked anyway so they SHOULD know immediately but one mistake and your having to jump hoops again.
and if you want to travel after youve already used up your 4 weeks paid travel you can but it WILL be UNPAID.
Any ones free to correct me if I'm wrong-I'm just stating what I was told. My mate whom i caught up with in the Philippines last week told me he was told the same thing.
just my 2 bobs worth... (please move this post into the correct section Banjo if it needs it-thanks!)
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Post by Banjo on May 12, 2015 11:24:55 GMT 7
Good work mate, we can now make it official that the portability is 4 weeks paid plus up up 13 weeks unpaid.
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Post by darjockey on May 13, 2015 3:44:11 GMT 7
Hi Hypoman
So does that mean you could continuously travel for 13 weeks in the same year Without cancellation ? Just coming back every 13 weeks and going again?
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Post by hypoman on May 13, 2015 6:20:18 GMT 7
theroretically i think you could, but no ones tested it yet and I havent asked international if this would be possible. the only problem i could see would be the govt pinging you on residency if you spent too much time abroad.
anyone else have any ideas on this? I just dont know how the new rules fit in with residency requirements...
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Post by scallywag on May 13, 2015 7:15:41 GMT 7
I don't see the point, coming back only to retain a pension that pays you nothing is an expensive way to keep your health care card. Apart from the residency question, they might want to know where your income is coming from.
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Post by Banjo on May 13, 2015 7:19:40 GMT 7
I think anyone who travels regularly without payment would not only have their residency investigated but would have to explain how they were living as well.
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Post by plonky44 on Jun 1, 2015 10:49:28 GMT 7
Talked to J Macklins office, and centrelink overseas dept ,You can stay longer than 4 weeks ,however your payment will stop ! but as long as you are back within the 13 week qualifying period you will be fine and not have to be reassessed !and payment will start again.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 1, 2015 11:03:17 GMT 7
Thanks plonky, we have all the info on that including an official letter from the minister.
So it's 4 weeks paid, then up to 13 weeks overstay unpaid.
I also believe you can leave again in the same year for up to another 13 weeks unpaid.
Only commonsense isn't it?
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Post by scallywag on Jun 1, 2015 12:13:41 GMT 7
Thanks plonky, we have all the info on that including an official letter from the minister. So it's 4 weeks paid, then up to 13 weeks overstay unpaid. I also believe you can leave again in the same year for up to another 13 weeks unpaid. Only commonsense isn't it? Dunno about commonsense Banjo, It's all about spite. All that is achieved is someone returns to Australia and stays long enough to get the govt to pay for their flight back, letting them stay away for 26 weeks would save the govt money. On second thoughts, that is the sort of sense that's common in this country.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 1, 2015 15:10:21 GMT 7
Sorry scallywag, poorly worded by me.
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Post by plonky44 on Jun 2, 2015 5:55:11 GMT 7
Thanks plonky, we have all the info on that including an official letter from the minister. So it's 4 weeks paid, then up to 13 weeks overstay unpaid. I also believe you can leave again in the same year for up to another 13 weeks unpaid. Only commonsense isn't it? Dunno about commonsense Banjo, It's all about spite. All that is achieved is someone returns to Australia and stays long enough to get the govt to pay for their flight back, letting them stay away for 26 weeks would save the govt money. On second thoughts, that is the sort of sense that's common in this country.
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Post by plonky44 on Jun 2, 2015 5:55:58 GMT 7
Yes you can go away again ,that suits me at this point .If you live overseas ,how much pension do you lose ?
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