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Post by itsmylife08 on Oct 2, 2017 21:36:04 GMT 7
Ministerial Order No 781 allows Australian citizens who have been absent from Australia to continue Medicare eligibility for up to 5 years from their original departure from Australia. The 5 years does not recommence on return visits where they do not reside in Australia. www.mia.org.au/newsletters/id/1919/idString/mxkbul2176 That's good to know we are eligible for Medicare for up to up to five years after our initial departure. I wish everything else was as clear-cut.
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Post by Banjo on Oct 3, 2017 7:11:49 GMT 7
I need to look into this, what's a ministerial order?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 8:04:51 GMT 7
Ministerial Order No 781 allows Australian citizens who have been absent from Australia to continue Medicare eligibility for up to 5 years from their original departure from Australia. The 5 years does not recommence on return visits where they do not reside in Australia. www.mia.org.au/newsletters/id/1919/idString/mxkbul2176 That's good to know we are eligible for Medicare for up to up to five years after our initial departure. I wish everything else was as clear-cut. Item 6 6) Is a person who has applied for a permanent visa offshore and who then comes onshore, eligible to access Medicare if they are 'resident' in Australia? Where an applicant has applied for permanent residency offshore they are eligible for Medicare from the date they arrive in Australia to reside, providing all eligibility criteria is met, that is the applicant has permission to work or has a spouse, parent or child that is an Australian citizen or Australian permanent resident visa holder. However, if there is evidence that suggests that the applicant has not entered Australia to reside at that time, they may be required to provide documents to establish residency. We are Expats in Thailand This has been confirmed by the Tourist Minister who is in control of Xpats We are not residents just visitors We do not Have Permanent residency here IMHO Will be interesting as to what banjo finds out But when i asked many years ago it was if after 5 years You had to prove you were not living overseas
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Post by nomadic on Oct 3, 2017 8:39:45 GMT 7
i first went away 17 years ago and i am still fine. Maybe because i go back yearly? So more clarity needed i guess on the fine print. So the above is as clear as mud to me. Yes bedwin as said a million times now. I am only allowed to stay in Thailand for 3 months at a time so am not a citizen/resident or anything else other than a visitor and i am a resident/citizen of Australia only. I will never be anything other than a falang in Thailand and I wouldn't want it any other way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 9:05:38 GMT 7
At least being a falang in Thailand gives us a box to crawl into if need be, because here in the land of my birth, I feel I am nothing.
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Post by itsmylife08 on Oct 3, 2017 12:01:31 GMT 7
I've been in The Philippines for 2.6 years now, the Department of Immigration here must regard me as a tourist because I've got a shitload of stickers that say tourist visa, Yet I believe Centrelink would regard me as being resident here in the Philippines, despite being otherwise.
I've never applied for a resident or Balikbayan visa despite being married to a Filipina, for fear of being flagged by Immigration upon my return.
It's all about Semantic's
Cheer's Itsa
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 13:22:23 GMT 7
I've been in The Philippines for 2.6 years now, the Department of Immigration here must regard me as a tourist because I've got a shitload of stickers that say tourist visa, Yet I believe Centrelink would regard me as being resident here in the Philippines, despite being otherwise. I've never applied for a resident or Balikbayan visa despite being married to a Filipina, for fear of being flagged by Immigration upon my return. It's all about Semantic's Cheer's Itsa Semantics? Is that the same as Norton Security?
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Post by latindancer on Oct 3, 2017 17:48:25 GMT 7
Ministerial Order No 781 allows Australian citizens who have been absent from Australia to continue Medicare eligibility for up to 5 years from their original departure from Australia. The 5 years does not recommence on return visits where they do not reside in Australia. www.mia.org.au/newsletters/id/1919/idString/mxkbul2176 ^ That is the part which worries me. The devil is in the detail, of course. How long do you have to return for, before the 5 year limit starts again ? And how DARE they presume to remove a right which we and our parents/grandparents earned by paying tax, building Australian infrastructure, contributing to society, and even going to war and so on. And are they going to try the old "left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing" trick ? It goes like this : You say you are a resident of Australia who has been O.S. They say that you have not been resident IN Australia, and that their rules therefore apply. You say : "What ? I was born here, and have been a resident of Australia my whole life !" They say that the Medicare rules state that you have to be resident IN Australia (ie. living here). You say that you have been O.S temporarily. They say that you come back regularly.....but they cunningly don't say how long you have to be back in order for everything to be re-set. The rules are intentionally vague so that they can apply them whichever way they want.....just like going to court for some traffic offences here in Oz.
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Post by itsmylife08 on Oct 3, 2017 21:14:56 GMT 7
It's just a guess but I would say that if you came back for 3 years then that should suffice as it covers Centrelinks definition of being resident ( if you're away for not more than three years it seems to keep them happy, likewise the same should apply if you are resident in Australia) plus they are the Department that pays out the benefits, DHS.
It's a question which I have mulled over in my head for ages, do I return for 3 years, in the meantime possibly losing UP of my DSP which I fought so hard to get, I believe it's possibly a case of use it or lose it after 26 weeks or so.
It's a question a lot of us on here may have to ask ourselves in the not too distant future do we return only to be intered for 2 years... Sorry if I have gone off beam, but I find it's all relevant.
Cheers Itsa
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 6:11:58 GMT 7
Yes indeedy, the rules are as nefarious as the question's on the forms we are required to fill in. Both can be interpreted in two way at the very least. Whenever I read a question I always wonder just what it is they want to know and how should I answer. Cheers 🐻
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Post by Banjo on Oct 4, 2017 7:48:04 GMT 7
I discussed Medicare eligibility a few years back in Chiang Rai with a very unwell DSP recipient who had been grand fathered for portability under earlier legislation.
He had lived in Thailand for many years and was unconcerned about his Medicare status. His attitude was that if he went back to Australia with a serious health problem he'd just go to the hospital and challenge them to leave him untreated when he got there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 8:52:20 GMT 7
I discussed Medicare eligibility a few years back in Chiang Rai with a very unwell DSP recipient who had been grand fathered for portability under earlier legislation. He had lived in Thailand for many years and was unconcerned about his Medicare status. His attitude was that if he went back to Australia with a serious health problem he'd just go to the hospital and challenge them to leave him untreated when he got there. Well that would be interesting Would also make good currant Affair segment I wonder if anyone has challenged them on this ?
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Post by Banjo on Oct 4, 2017 13:04:31 GMT 7
Of course they would treat him, any hospital would, they would try to get the money out of him later and good luck with that he said.
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Post by latindancer on Oct 4, 2017 18:40:45 GMT 7
Great idea ! A sensible person would take along a friend with a camera and say that it is all going to be given to A Current Affair.
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