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Post by muggins on Jul 9, 2018 11:34:16 GMT 7
I'm considering going to university but i'm wondering if this will trigger a strict 21 day review(able to study, able to work?). The course i'm thinking of doing is 12 hours on campus and 20 hours off campus, 12 + 20 =32 hours. So this will not satisfy the CITW and 'DSP 30 hour rule'. I don't want to have to go through the review process again, given the gov's current dsp culling agenda. Btw, i was granted dsp in 2010. The legislation looks complex. guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/3/6/1/40Studying 30 hours or more per week A DSP recipient participating in mainstream, unmodified study for 30 hours or more per week is unlikely to have a CITW. This is because the activities required for mainstream study are generally equivalent to those required to work in open employment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 13:51:04 GMT 7
I'm considering going to university but i'm wondering if this will trigger a strict 21 day review(able to study, able to work?). The course i'm thinking of doing is 12 hours on campus and 20 hours off campus, 12 + 20 =32 hours. So this will not satisfy the CITW and 'DSP 30 hour rule'. I don't want to have to go through the review process again, given the gov's current dsp culling agenda. Btw, i was granted dsp in 2010. The legislation looks complex. guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/3/6/1/40Studying 30 hours or more per week
A DSP recipient participating in mainstream, unmodified study for 30 hours or more per week is unlikely to have a CITW. This is because the activities required for mainstream study are generally equivalent to those required to work in open employment.
Once I'd gotten to the above highlighted text muggins all of my consideration on the matter would have been duly done; especially if I'd had the other concerns you quoted as well. Cheers bear |
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Post by muggins on Jul 9, 2018 14:46:27 GMT 7
Cheers Bear. Yes i think a part-time course would be more appropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 17:04:05 GMT 7
Cheers Bear. Yes i think a part-time course would be more appropriate. I think hemingway was doing a part time course. She got the go ahead to head overseas for an unlimited time because the OS study counts to her course here in Oz. It seems like a loophole for those who can manage it. Cheers bear |
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Post by shermos on Jul 10, 2018 23:55:26 GMT 7
This would be a good thread to sticky. Satanlink's rules about study on the DSP are bloody unclear.
I'm in a similar position to you muggins. Bear is totally right about not being allowed DSP if you study more than 30 hours unless the study is modified. If you joined the university's disability support unit and had a plan made up which gives you stuff like the ability to request extensions and have extra time on exams, you MIGHT be allowed to keep your DSP. Don't take my word as gospel on that. I'm still trying to figure this crap out myself.
You better check if you're subject to the 30 hour rule or the 15 hour rule. If you've had a Job Capacity Assessment done, this will tell you which rule you're under. You can ask for a copy at your local office.
I've been studying 1 unit per semester (25% study load) and C'link was aware of this at my last assessment. I want to try taking 2 units and see if I can cope. I'm under the 15 hour rule, and this would put me over, but it's modified study (at least it should be considered so). Does anyone know if this will affect my pension? Do I even need to tell c'link? I'm worried they'll boot me onto Newstart just for trying to see how much study I can cope with and maybe graduate a bit sooner.
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Post by muggins on Jul 11, 2018 6:55:59 GMT 7
This would be a good thread to sticky. Satanlink's rules about study on the DSP are bloody unclear. I'm in a similar position to you muggins. Bear is totally right about not being allowed DSP if you study more than 30 hours unless the study is modified. If you joined the university's disability support unit and had a plan made up which gives you stuff like the ability to request extensions and have extra time on exams, you MIGHT be allowed to keep your DSP. Don't take my word as gospel on that. I'm still trying to figure this crap out myself. You better check if you're subject to the 30 hour rule or the 15 hour rule. If you've had a Job Capacity Assessment done, this will tell you which rule you're under. You can ask for a copy at your local office. I've been studying 1 unit per semester (25% study load) and C'link was aware of this at my last assessment. I want to try taking 2 units and see if I can cope. I'm under the 15 hour rule, and this would put me over, but it's modified study (at least it should be considered so). Does anyone know if this will affect my pension? Do I even need to tell c'link? I'm worried they'll boot me onto Newstart just for trying to see how much study I can cope with and maybe graduate a bit sooner. Yes, the rules are bloody unclear and complex. They also treat 'on campus' and 'off campus' study differently. from what i can tell, someone at Satanlink makes their own determination if your study makes you fit for work. As long as the study doesn't entitle you to a better job than their 50K pa job it's ok. Btw, i would definitely inform centrelink of any changes in your study Shermos. |
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Post by muggins on Jul 13, 2018 19:10:09 GMT 7
So, i was talking to a guy today on dsp, in the physical world, and he did the exact same course (32 hours: 12 on campus, 20 off campus).
While he did get reviewed, all was ok although that was 5 years ago.
So iv'e decided i'm gonna risk it and dive in head first.
What's the worst that can happen? I get kicked onto newstart and suffer abject poverty.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 13, 2018 22:49:14 GMT 7
So, i was talking to a guy today on dsp, in the physical world, and he did the exact same course (32 hours: 12 on campus, 20 off campus). While he did get reviewed, all was ok although that was 5 years ago. So iv'e decided i'm gonna risk it and dive in head first. What's the worst that can happen? I get kicked onto newstart and suffer abject poverty. May I suggest you talk to an adviser at your place of study and course. I'm fairly certain that they are aware and can often tailor your schedule. All the best Denis |
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Post by Banjo on Jul 14, 2018 7:28:27 GMT 7
So, i was talking to a guy today on dsp, in the physical world, and he did the exact same course (32 hours: 12 on campus, 20 off campus). While he did get reviewed, all was ok although that was 5 years ago. So iv'e decided i'm gonna risk it and dive in head first. What's the worst that can happen? I get kicked onto newstart and suffer abject poverty. If it gives you the opportunity to turn your life around and start doing something constructive with it then I think it's worth the risk. |
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 14, 2018 10:37:25 GMT 7
If it gives you the opportunity to turn your life around and start doing something constructive with it then I think it's worth the risk. Apart from logging into DSP Overseas I think any form of 'study' is good for all of us. Whether it be knitting patterns or nuclear physics. |
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Post by nomadic on Jul 14, 2018 12:57:10 GMT 7
does study of the form guide count denis? back in year 11 mum said if i spent as much time in the books as i did in the form guide i'd be top of the class. I didn't listen and failed but was to become a genius on the horses. Oops typo's. Was should have been will and delete to.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 14, 2018 13:10:54 GMT 7
does study of the form guide count denis? back in year 11 mum said if i spent as much time in the books as i did in the form guide i'd be top of the class. I didn't listen and failed but was to become a genius on the horses. Oops typo's. Was should have been will and delete to. LOL nomadicOne of my Grandmother's followed the city horses and later in her life dedicatedly purchased a magazine called 'Turf Monthly'. My Father used to breed, train and feed his own racehorses but only 'bush' meetings. LOL. At country bush meets my Grandmother would send me up to the bookies to put her bet on! Imagine that now? |
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jul 14, 2018 13:12:43 GMT 7
does study of the form guide count denis? back in year 11 mum said if i spent as much time in the books as i did in the form guide i'd be top of the class. I didn't listen and failed but was to become a genius on the horses. Oops typo's. Was should have been will and delete to. So yes. I think it counts nomadic. But make sure you are winning. |
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Post by dswau on Jul 16, 2018 6:26:12 GMT 7
I studied law part time for a couple of years with no issue. DSP only requires a 25% of full time participation (that's to encourage you to not overload yourself). There should be a disability support officer at the educational institution. I liaised with them before enrolling, did a bit of paperwork and they cooked up a suitable part time study plan. I was also granted additional time for exams and the ability to do them on a laptop.
Although I didn't complete the course, it was enough to get me back to work and eventually up to 25 hours per week for the last 3 years.I've just enrolled in a advanced diploma in conveyancing and obtaining PES was no issue at all, all done online and approved within a week.
I would however highly recommend that you focus on part time study, there's not many things more deflating than overloading yourself and withdrawing from study because it's just too much work. A manageable part time course however gets you out of the house, in contact with the outside world and when you obtain your qualification or pass a unit, it's a real confidence booster.
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Post by Banjo on Jul 16, 2018 6:48:42 GMT 7
Apart from a few misunderstandings (e.g. a demand for my list of "shonky" doctors accompanied by death threats if I did not provide) this forum has never been about getting people onto the DSP or keeping them on it if they had any other viable alternative.
A decent job at decent wages with all the benefits that provides is so much better than living on a pension.
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