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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 6:34:16 GMT 7
'I can't believe he said that': Older Australians hit back at FrydenbergRetired Penrith primary school teacher and librarian Ian McLean was on the train to the city to learn more about his new profession – as a remedial masseur – when he read Josh Frydenberg’s comments about the economic time bomb that is older Australians."Oh my God, I can't believe he said that," was his first reaction. Mr McLean worked for almost 40 years at public schools across Sydney before retiring from the classroom early last year. The 60-year-old, however, yearned for a new skill in his retirement. So this year he began a massage course through Sydney's Endeavour College, which he will complete in 2020. While Mr Frydenberg believes people in their 50s and 60s will have to learn new skills to continue contributing to the economy, Mr McLean said the Treasurer was effectively telling prospective retirees what to do with their lives. "I'm doing it myself, to keep my mind active and to learn a new skill. I wouldn't do it just because I need to keep working. It's my choice," he said. "I've got a lot of friends in their 50s who've got retrenched and 10 years on they're still looking for work. It would help to get these people into work now before saying to them in their 60s and 70s they have to keep going." Mr Frydenberg re-energised the debate about Australia's ageing population in a speech on Tuesday in which he warned of an economic and fiscal timebomb facing the country. He argued people in their mid- and late-60s will have to work longer and undertake training to keep in touch with the jobs market as pressure builds on the budget bottom line. The government has ruled out returning to policies that may take the pressure of demographic change off the budget – such as the planned increase of the pension access age to 70 that was abandoned by Scott Morrison when he became Prime Minister. Opposition leader Anthony Albanese said Mr Frydenberg was trying to shift blame for the government's economic shortcomings. The over-60s need to retrain to get work Treasurer Josh Frydenberg wants older Australians to go back and study, so they can keep in touch with the jobs market, work longer and boost the economy. "Older Australians are not responsible for the fact that we have wage stagnation, for the fact that we have low economic growth, for the fact we have retail trade figures that are the worst since the 1990s, for the fact that unemployment has gone up, and for the fact that interest rates have been reduced to under 1 per cent," he said. National seniors chief advocate Ian Henschke said the treasurer could be unintentionally engaging in ageism by blaming older Australians for the government's financial issues. "We've heard this before in descriptions like 'tidal wave' and 'tsunami'. Rather than stigmatise older Australians, we should blame previous treasurers from 1980 who have stood by and watched this happen," he said. "Older Australians are wanting to work more and longer but they are not getting the work they need. When they do retrain, we know they are experiencing discrimination." But Council of the Ageing chief executive Ian Yates said the government was taking a necessary step to prepare for changes in the economy that would occur as older Australians made up a greater proportion of the population. "This isn't about forcing people to work longer than they want to or are physically able to, it's about supporting Australians to work longer who choose to do so, and creating and capitalising on opportunities for them to do so," he said. "A significant proportion of people aged between 65 and 75 are still working and more would do so if age discrimination and lack of support weren't such barriers to remaining in the workforce, often from the 50s onwards." www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/i-can-t-believe-he-said-that-older-australians-hit-back-at-frydenberg-20191119-p53bzo.htmlm.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2520080221595330&id=1415019052101458
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 6:59:57 GMT 7
#9NewsWatch | YOUR SAY POLL
Do you think people should be forced to work into their 70s? Currently running at 97% "NO". Finishes in six days.Treasurer Josh Frydenberg believes Australia's ageing population is an "economic time bomb" for the national economy. He is calling for a boost to workforce participation rates for over-65s. However, Labor has accused the treasurer of simply wanting to keep workers chained to their tools and desks "until they drop". m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2519689151634437&id=1415019052101458
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Post by itsmylife08 on Nov 20, 2019 13:32:36 GMT 7
When I first saw this I thought it was a mole obviously not what a load of scomo bags!!!
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Post by Denis-NFA on Nov 20, 2019 19:22:02 GMT 7
Banjo, bear, tasjo and all Forum Members. This ties in with the threads on Self Funded Retirees and the shameless Debt Debacle. Once upon a time all invalid and old-age pensions were virtually self funded from taxation with those funds put aside but somewhere in or about the 1950's it all went into Government Consolidated Revenue and those funds have never been seen again. Politicians job is to spend money and Bureaucrats job is to make laws that will cost money. I call it "The System". It does not matter which political party has the current sway because nothing ever changes.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Nov 20, 2019 20:22:22 GMT 7
Do you know what really sticks in my throat. The Australian Future Fund or more commonly called just Future Fund. It is recognized as a Sovereign Wealth Fund en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_wealth_fund#Largest_sovereign_wealth_fundsNumber 16 on the list of Top 86 Largest Sovereign Wealth Fund Rankings by Total Assets www.swfinstitute.org/fund-rankings/sovereign-wealth-fundSet up by the Bureaucracy and LNP in 2006 with Costello getting well paid gigs with it. Do you know its purpose? It's not well published but its purpose is to pay Pensions to so called Commonwealth Public Servants and that is all. And Australian Taxpayers Money goes into that every year and successive Australian Governments of all types then make decisions on how SMALL an amount of money they will allocate to NORMAL welfare payments of Unemployment, Sickness, Disability and Aged. I have never checked but it makes me wonder where in THE BUDGET they slot taxation monies paid into the FUTURE FUND and possibly, possibly comes under Welfare! Not forgetting that The Gubmint pay a Super Guarantee of something like 17.5%.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 20:44:23 GMT 7
Banjo , bear , tasjo and all Forum Members. This ties in with the threads on Self Funded Retirees and the shameless Debt Debacle. Once upon a time all invalid and old-age pensions were virtually self funded from taxation with those funds put aside but somewhere in or about the 1950's it all went into Government Consolidated Revenue and those funds have never been seen again. Politicians job is to spend money and Bureaucrats job is to make laws that will cost money. I call it "The System". It does not matter which political party has the current sway because nothing ever changes. Denis-NFAThanks for that link.....it got me curious. I wondered how were people with chromosome abnormalities treated back in the day; compared with cripples for example. Those folks were surely were meant to be included in the constitutionally approved "Invalid Pension", one could reasonably conclude. What now interests me is the appearance of two extra cohorts from it's inception until it's demise in 1991; when it became the DSP. Interestingly the powers that be seem not to make any distinction between the three cohorts which could be considered invalid or people with disabilities in the data directly below from 1901 until 2010-1 The Invalid Pension was essentially unchanged from its introduction in 1910 until 1991 when it was replaced by the Disability Support Pension.Feb 21, 2011 www.aph.gov.au › pubs › SS... Social security payments for the aged, people with disabilities and carers 1901 to 2010 – Parliament of Australia
Here however they have made distinctions, and that shows that everyone with a disability have not always been considered equal, possibly due to the various levels of support required for different cohorts. Invalid Pension 1909 to 1991, Sheltered Employment Allowance 1967 to 1991, Rehabilitation Allowance 1983 to 1991, Disability Support Pension from 1991 www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/1011/SSPayments1OK.....if you are still with me......I went onto the DSP because I was considered a disabled invalid. I wasn't chromosomally challenged; but that was ok, we were all in it together until.......until they brought in the 2012 tables, new processes and NDIS. Two systems for two different cohorts; the two tiered DSP that was often brought up because of some report often mentioned here at the time. As previously pointed out; everyone with a disability has not always been considered equal for the reasons stated, and as it was previously ok to have different approaches, it should still be ok to maintain the cohort the Invalid Pension was originally legislated to help. The Invalids, Cripples and those of us unable to continue in paid employment through no fault of our own. Cheers bear
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 5:48:25 GMT 7
We older ‘burdens’ on society
Here we go. Here we go. Yet again. Doesn’t pay to be over 60, does it?
Here’s an excerpt from an article in The Sydney Morning Herald:
“Treasurer Josh Frydenberg will on Tuesday signal a drive to get people in their mid and late 60s to work longer and undertake training to keep in touch with the jobs market as the government confronts long term pressures to the budget bottom line. Mr Frydenberg will use an address to the Committee for the Economic Development of Australia to argue a “new dynamic” in the way the country’s population is ageing will require new policies to ensure the nation’s economic heavy lifting is not left to a diminishing number of younger people.” I get it that the balance between older and younger in our society is changing, and that in the future the number of older people in our society will increase, and that the Government needs to take all of that into account when planning future health, education, housing, and ‘where’s the revenue going to come from’ type policies. What I don’t get, and don’t like, is the frequency with which words like burden, and economic heavy lifting, are used by politicians to condescendingly swipe us oldies over the head. Are we burdens on society? Have we not heavy-lifted and contributed to the economic well being of the country over the course of our working lifetimes? Now that we have been pushed aside into the invisibility of older age are we, now, to be targeted and punished by this Government because employers steadfastly refuse to hire us? The major problem with this Government is that they hold vulnerable cohorts within our society solely responsible for the condition that they find themselves in. The unemployed for example, of any age, are tagged as bludgers and burdens and are subject to such a punishing regime of compliance including: the bad joke that is JobActive, the deliberate suffering that is imposed by the starvation level of Newstart, the restriction of even the tiniest amount of freedom of choice left available to the unemployed by the imposition of the Indue Card. When you are an oldie caught up in all of the mess that is the Government’s Welfare Policy, whether you are currently stuck on Newstart, or whether you have managed to transition to the marginally more welcoming climes of the Old Age Pension, which at least allows you to breathe with some dignity at least once a week, it is enough to make you tear out whatever hair you are lucky enough to still have left. Frydenberg and Co need a reality check. We oldies who want to work are not the problem, the employers who will not hire us are the problem. We oldies who are not rich are not the problem, a society that measures the worth of a human being by the level of their ability to consume, and spend, and accumulate wealth, and a society that denies the most basic social dignities to the disadvantaged and the old, is the problem. And what is the Government’s answer to the issue of older Australians whose job applications are continually rejected? Well, we have a startlingly new brilliant idea, we’ll re-train you. Gosh … we’ll all be re-trained up as coders and data analysts and rocket scientists in order to secure our share of the ‘jobs of the future’. It would be funny if it wasn’t what it actually is – sad and demeaning. And where will we be re-trained up? Not in the TAFES, they’ve been gutted. We’ll be re-trained up in the profit-making private training industry, that plethora of Registered Training Organisations with happy and profitable links with the JobActive network. Josh and Co need to sit in on some of the job interviews where employers tell us oldies that we are too over-qualified for the job. Already too over-qualified for the job. And the Government’s answer to that pernicious form of ageism is to offer to add to the level of our qualifications thereby ensuring that the employment door that has shut closed on our feet, will shut even harder. The fact is that the proportion of older people who cannot find a job is going to increase, and increase, and increase. It is not going to increase because we are burdens, or bludgers, or light-weight lifters, or any of the other crap mantras that this Government throws towards our aged bones. The number of older people out of work will increase because employers have made it brutally obvious to us that we are not wanted. theaimn.com/we-older-burdens-on-society/?fbclid=IwAR1mtlL29KLsMgWFrYEk_fCD_0IDvou9_7FX5uLDPxOIxuWwxFWi-JL2dsc
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Post by eight on Nov 21, 2019 9:14:44 GMT 7
We older ‘burdens’ on society
Here we go. Here we go. Yet again. Doesn’t pay to be over 60, does it?
Here’s an excerpt from an article in The Sydney Morning Herald:
“Treasurer Josh Frydenberg will on Tuesday signal a drive to get people in their mid and late 60s to work longer and undertake training to keep in touch with the jobs market as the government confronts long term pressures to the budget bottom line. Mr Frydenberg will use an address to the Committee for the Economic Development of Australia to argue a “new dynamic” in the way the country’s population is ageing will require new policies to ensure the nation’s economic heavy lifting is not left to a diminishing number of younger people.” I get it that the balance between older and younger in our society is changing, and that in the future the number of older people in our society will increase, and that the Government needs to take all of that into account when planning future health, education, housing, and ‘where’s the revenue going to come from’ type policies. What I don’t get, and don’t like, is the frequency with which words like burden, and economic heavy lifting, are used by politicians to condescendingly swipe us oldies over the head. Are we burdens on society? Have we not heavy-lifted and contributed to the economic well being of the country over the course of our working lifetimes? Now that we have been pushed aside into the invisibility of older age are we, now, to be targeted and punished by this Government because employers steadfastly refuse to hire us? The major problem with this Government is that they hold vulnerable cohorts within our society solely responsible for the condition that they find themselves in. The unemployed for example, of any age, are tagged as bludgers and burdens and are subject to such a punishing regime of compliance including: the bad joke that is JobActive, the deliberate suffering that is imposed by the starvation level of Newstart, the restriction of even the tiniest amount of freedom of choice left available to the unemployed by the imposition of the Indue Card. When you are an oldie caught up in all of the mess that is the Government’s Welfare Policy, whether you are currently stuck on Newstart, or whether you have managed to transition to the marginally more welcoming climes of the Old Age Pension, which at least allows you to breathe with some dignity at least once a week, it is enough to make you tear out whatever hair you are lucky enough to still have left. Frydenberg and Co need a reality check. We oldies who want to work are not the problem, the employers who will not hire us are the problem. We oldies who are not rich are not the problem, a society that measures the worth of a human being by the level of their ability to consume, and spend, and accumulate wealth, and a society that denies the most basic social dignities to the disadvantaged and the old, is the problem. And what is the Government’s answer to the issue of older Australians whose job applications are continually rejected? Well, we have a startlingly new brilliant idea, we’ll re-train you. Gosh … we’ll all be re-trained up as coders and data analysts and rocket scientists in order to secure our share of the ‘jobs of the future’. It would be funny if it wasn’t what it actually is – sad and demeaning. And where will we be re-trained up? Not in the TAFES, they’ve been gutted. We’ll be re-trained up in the profit-making private training industry, that plethora of Registered Training Organisations with happy and profitable links with the JobActive network. Josh and Co need to sit in on some of the job interviews where employers tell us oldies that we are too over-qualified for the job. Already too over-qualified for the job. And the Government’s answer to that pernicious form of ageism is to offer to add to the level of our qualifications thereby ensuring that the employment door that has shut closed on our feet, will shut even harder. The fact is that the proportion of older people who cannot find a job is going to increase, and increase, and increase. It is not going to increase because we are burdens, or bludgers, or light-weight lifters, or any of the other crap mantras that this Government throws towards our aged bones. The number of older people out of work will increase because employers have made it brutally obvious to us that we are not wanted. theaimn.com/we-older-burdens-on-society/?fbclid=IwAR1mtlL29KLsMgWFrYEk_fCD_0IDvou9_7FX5uLDPxOIxuWwxFWi-JL2dsc What annoys me even more is the fact that us oldies are so divided and unorganized that we dont have a one strong political party that could compete against the other parties. If there was it would have more members that the total member of all unions and the greens and so dictate the terms of our own future instead of leaving it up to others and their interests.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Nov 21, 2019 16:53:10 GMT 7
What annoys me even more is the fact that us oldies are so divided and unorganized that we dont have a one strong political party that could compete against the other parties. If there was it would have more members that the total member of all unions and the greens and so dictate the terms of our own future instead of leaving it up to others and their interests. eight I appreciate what you are saying and would love to see the day when all 'the oldies' just said HOLD MY BEER and snotted the lot of the useless pricks. But until we incorporate into the constitution the right to sack any so called public servant out of hand with a pink slip and escorted off the premises and don't come back who do you think really runs the country.
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Post by isleboy on Nov 21, 2019 18:17:26 GMT 7
What annoys me even more is the fact that us oldies are so divided and unorganized that we dont have a one strong political party that could compete against the other parties. If there was it would have more members that the total member of all unions and the greens and so dictate the terms of our own future instead of leaving it up to others and their interests. eight I appreciate what you are saying and would love to see the day when all 'the oldies' just said HOLD MY BEER and snotted the lot of the useless pricks. I think that at least some of them, may well be aware of what they are committing. The following explains why they are not really serving in our best interests. Unfortunately I've lost page number. cairnsnews.org/There is no 'government' of the people for the people of Australia. The removal of the Crown from Australian Parliaments, followed by the incorporation of Parliaments aided by the Australia Act 1987 has left us with corporate government with policies not laws, that apply only to members of political parties and the public service. There is no law, other than the Common Law.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Nov 21, 2019 20:54:56 GMT 7
Here's another one for FriedEggBurger
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Post by rainyday on Nov 22, 2019 7:04:09 GMT 7
My pet hate is having mixed wards in a public hospital. Should we be jumping up and down about that? I have always hated the "unisex" toilets that started to appear in some tafe colleges back in the 80's when I was working there. We are going backwards, not forward.
Perhaps time he went back to playing tennis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 7:25:48 GMT 7
Denis-NFAIs that along the lines of penny for your thoughts? I don't think they would be feeling under compunction to give us a brass Razoo......over privileged, over paid, franking credited superannuate boomers we all are. "OK Boomer?" Well here's the response to that slur currently going viral on social media globally. "Suck it up Zoomer". Remember you heard it here first! Cheers bear
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Post by rainyday on Nov 22, 2019 10:22:35 GMT 7
This current government is becoming a national embarrassment. All the talk about it going to be a great season for cricket (PM tweet), whilst fires are raging, he is living in dream world and ignoring the magnitude and seriousness of some key issues and lack of government funding allocated to some vulnerable groups. I doubt they will get another term with the way he is preaching as if from the pulpit. He isn't my religious leader, he doesn't know his rightful role, unfortunately. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by isleboy on Nov 22, 2019 10:57:02 GMT 7
This current government is becoming a national embarrassment. All the talk about it going to be a great season for cricket (PM tweet), whilst fires are raging, he is living in dream world and ignoring the magnitude and seriousness of some key issues and lack of government funding allocated to some vulnerable groups. I doubt they will get another term with the way he is preaching as if from the pulpit. He isn't my religious leader, he doesn't know his rightful role, unfortunately. Sorry for the rant. Of course, it's generally one of their favorites tactics & methods. Keep the general populace (sheeple) distracted, occupied & busy looking the other way (unless it affects them personally) with senseless entertainment trash, gossips, sports etc.
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