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Post by firefly on May 11, 2020 15:05:33 GMT 7
Not being academically inclined firefly , I can't say if these links will help fill in the BLANK or not. Very slick website.....I am inclined to be skeptical about non core education facilities because of all of the dramas of give away laptops on sign up and dramas over fees a few years ago; through a federal government scheme that was going to get everyone employed. What it ultimately did, was make a bunch of their mates wealthy. Still I can't see anyone being allowed to fly out of Australia to Asia before next year at the earliest, so you've got time to research. Cheers bear There are reviews here: www.facebook.com/MCIInstitute/"All of our courses meet the Nationally Recognised Training standards. They are listed on the Australian government’s National Register for Vocational Education and Training (VET). Studying with us lead to a qualification that’s recognised throughout Australia, and let employers know that you have the right skills for the job." www.mciinstitute.edu.au/about-us/Home Page: www.mciinstitute.edu.au/P.S. Out of interest did the fella from MCI say how he came to call you. And before I forget....we haven't told you this. When finishing up a call to Centrelink in future.......ask for you receipt number for the call. Keep them somewhere safe for future reference with a short note of the contents. It keeps them on their toes. Cheers www.seek.com.au/learning/provider/mci-institute/reviewsI haven't grabbed a receipt number yet from centrelink but will do so in future. Cheers! When googling potential institutions that offered diploma of business i came across MCI... they said I could type/submit msg with questions... so i did. Had to put in my phone number though and he rang within the hour!!! He asked some Strange questions now i think of it... and then became disinterested very quickly when I told him I don't plan to study until next year... I'm going backwards... facepalm!
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Post by firefly on May 11, 2020 15:44:44 GMT 7
Yep... those reviews were awful!!! Back to square one
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Post by firefly on May 11, 2020 16:21:55 GMT 7
Not being academically inclined firefly , I can't say if these links will help fill in the BLANK or not. Very slick website.....I am inclined to be skeptical about non core education facilities because of all of the dramas of give away laptops on sign up and dramas over fees a few years ago; through a federal government scheme that was going to get everyone employed. What it ultimately did, was make a bunch of their mates wealthy. Still I can't see anyone being allowed to fly out of Australia to Asia before next year at the earliest, so you've got time to research. Cheers bear There are reviews here: www.facebook.com/MCIInstitute/"All of our courses meet the Nationally Recognised Training standards. They are listed on the Australian government’s National Register for Vocational Education and Training (VET). Studying with us lead to a qualification that’s recognised throughout Australia, and let employers know that you have the right skills for the job." www.mciinstitute.edu.au/about-us/Home Page: www.mciinstitute.edu.au/P.S. Out of interest did the fella from MCI say how he came to call you. And before I forget....we haven't told you this. When finishing up a call to Centrelink in future.......ask for you receipt number for the call. Keep them somewhere safe for future reference with a short note of the contents. It keeps them on their toes. Cheers www.seek.com.au/learning/provider/mci-institute/reviewsI haven't grabbed a receipt number yet from centrelink but will do so in future. Cheers! When googling potential institutions that offered diploma of business i came across MCI... they said I could type/submit msg with questions... so i did. Had to put in my phone number though and he rang within the hour!!! He asked some Strange questions now i think of it... and then became disinterested very quickly when I told him I don't plan to study until next year... I'm going backwards... facepalm! Hey bear, don't suppose you're familiar with any of the 'single impairment' details that you have to meet 20 points of to be written off as UP? Just curious. If not, do you know where I can find that info? Would it be in my file perhaps when I request it to be released under FOI or will that only contain the points relevant to the ones I met when initially granted the dsp? Sorry for all the questions again.. much appreciation 😊
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Post by bear on May 11, 2020 17:04:29 GMT 7
Here are the tables firefly : www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2011L02716Scroll down to open relevant table. I've used Table 5 Mental Health 20 There is a severe functional impact on activities involving mental health function. (1) The person has severe difficulties with most of the following: With this particular illustration most means 4+ out of 6 descriptors. (a) self care and independent living; Example: The person needs regular support to live independently, that is, needs visits or assistance at least twice a week from a family member, friend, health worker or support worker. (b) social/recreational activities and travel; Example: The person travels alone only in familiar areas (such as the local shops or other familiar venues). (c) interpersonal relationships; Example 1: The person has very limited social contacts and involvement unless these are organised for the person. Example 2: The person often has difficulty interacting with other people and may need assistance or support from a companion to engage in social interactions. (d) concentration and task completion; Example 1: The person has difficulty concentrating on any task or conversation for more than 10 minutes. Example 2: The person has slowed movements or reaction time due to psychiatric illness or treatment effects. (e) behaviour, planning and decision-making; Example: The person’s behaviour, thoughts and conversation are significantly and frequently disturbed. (f) work/training capacity. Example: The person is unable to attend work, education or training on a regular basis over a lengthy period due to ongoing mental illness. The points you received at the time of being granted DSP will be the ones on your file. If you've been reviewed or updated your medical information, any points, if given for that will also be on your file along with that new information. Cheers bear
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Post by firefly on May 11, 2020 18:23:29 GMT 7
Here are the tables firefly : www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2011L02716Scroll down to open relevant table. I've used Table 5 Mental Health 20 There is a severe functional impact on activities involving mental health function. (1) The person has severe difficulties with most of the following: With this particular illustration most means 4+ out of 6 descriptors. (a) self care and independent living; Example: The person needs regular support to live independently, that is, needs visits or assistance at least twice a week from a family member, friend, health worker or support worker. (b) social/recreational activities and travel; Example: The person travels alone only in familiar areas (such as the local shops or other familiar venues). (c) interpersonal relationships; Example 1: The person has very limited social contacts and involvement unless these are organised for the person. Example 2: The person often has difficulty interacting with other people and may need assistance or support from a companion to engage in social interactions. (d) concentration and task completion; Example 1: The person has difficulty concentrating on any task or conversation for more than 10 minutes. Example 2: The person has slowed movements or reaction time due to psychiatric illness or treatment effects. (e) behaviour, planning and decision-making; Example: The person’s behaviour, thoughts and conversation are significantly and frequently disturbed. (f) work/training capacity. Example: The person is unable to attend work, education or training on a regular basis over a lengthy period due to ongoing mental illness. The points you received at the time of being granted DSP will be the ones on your file. If you've been reviewed or updated your medical information, any points, if given for that will also be on your file along with that new information. Cheers bear Thank you so much! I didn't realise how many of those criteria I was meeting.... all documented by healthcare professionals too.... no wonder my head was doing circles trying to work out how to meet the study RP!!!! I will speak to my Psychiatrist about this i think. Thanks again Bear. Ur a gem
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Post by tasjo on May 11, 2020 18:23:37 GMT 7
Firefly - unfortunately the centrelink guy was correct and this is where the 'may' be payable comes in for education.
If your course is able to be studied in Australia, and you are enrolled in Australia, it is unlikely you would be paid DSP should you choose to go overseas for 12 months.
The overseas payment of dsp for education purposes, from what I understand (I looked into it a couple of years ago) is primarily for people studying part of their course in another country. For example, studying international law and researching immigration from Vietnam... studying business and researching import and export to and from Vietnam.
However, dont discount that you couldnt qualify for post graduate education... most (if not all) universities accept (and welcome) mature aged students, and those with disabilities. As a minority sometimes it can be an advantage. But you would need to commence study in Australia and show that you need to continue that study in Vietnam in order to have the best chance of continuing to receive DSP while overseas.
Otherwise the alternative is to apply for UP.
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Post by firefly on May 11, 2020 18:55:23 GMT 7
Firefly - unfortunately the centrelink guy was correct and this is where the 'may' be payable comes in for education. If your course is able to be studied in Australia, and you are enrolled in Australia, it is unlikely you would be paid DSP should you choose to go overseas for 12 months. The overseas payment of dsp for education purposes, from what I understand (I looked into it a couple of years ago) is primarily for people studying part of their course in another country. For example, studying international law and researching immigration from Vietnam... studying business and researching import and export to and from Vietnam. However, dont discount that you couldnt qualify for post graduate education... most (if not all) universities accept (and welcome) mature aged students, and those with disabilities. As a minority sometimes it can be an advantage. But you would need to commence study in Australia and show that you need to continue that study in Vietnam in order to have the best chance of continuing to receive DSP while overseas. Otherwise the alternative is to apply for UP. Yes Tasjo u are right again and I have found more and more restrictions the more I looked into it. Not only the restrictions with the legislation requirements but i had been discounting the restrictions on my own mental health and capabilities. I feel I already meeting alot more of the UP eligibility than I initially thought... I will speak with my Psychiatrist about it as I mentioned to bear who showed me the table that CL use to assess you. If i meet the criteria for UP and get my wish granted to go overseas... that's great... but it's a little bitter sweet moment of realisation for me right now... as i didn't quite realise that I may very well be at the severe end of the spectrum ... i guess I always wanted to think i was a little more capable! 😥 Oh well, it's not like they'd be signing me off from study or work FOREVER... just at least a 2-5 year break if I can look at it like that?? Lol Thanks again for your advice Tasjo.. always so helpful 🙂
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Post by bear on May 11, 2020 19:20:07 GMT 7
I think that is what a lot of us think firefly . I certainly did; thought I'd be lucky to have 20 points on one table.....imagine my surprise when my FOI turned up and I had 30 points for mental health alone. I waited until I had my OAP to get my file; but it then made so much sense why I couldn't go through with a UP application. I was simply just too Ill to deal with it and it's made me wonder how many others have missed out through being simply too ill, and that's what makes me angry.......they don't need legislation; they just need to do a paper review. You meet it or you don't. That doesn't mess with people's heads though; and I believe that's the whole point of the current process. Cheers bear P.S. How crazy are they? On the 24 January on DSP I could go OS for 28 days paid in one year. On 25 January on OAP i could go OS paid and never return if that's my wish. Truly bizarre.......
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Post by nomadic on May 11, 2020 19:26:48 GMT 7
Yes, me also. My points were far higher than I was led to believe. My lawyer saw in 5 minutes in my file what they didn't reveal ever in 8 years. They have no legal obligation to tell us. Fo file is so important to get. By the way, when did you get DSP? If after 2012 then UP is possibly easier to get as rules have been far harsher since then in just getting DSP.
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Post by tasjo on May 11, 2020 20:05:38 GMT 7
You really do need to know how many points you have before making any decisions firefly. And when you were assessed, and which tables were used.
When you apply for UP, centrelink will review your eligibility for both UP and DSP using the information they have as well as what is in your application.
Without being nasty, what you, your psychiatrist or anyone else consider the number of points you 'should' have can also be open to interpretation. Knowing what you do have before application is vital.
Welfare rights (at the community legal centres in Tas) are helpful once you have the information you need.
Its really worth taking time to prepare a good application, minimise stress of appeals and having to interact with centrelink more than necessary.
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Post by firefly on May 12, 2020 5:07:32 GMT 7
I think that is what a lot of us think firefly . I certainly did; thought I'd be lucky to have 20 points on one table.....imagine my surprise when my FOI turned up and I had 30 points for mental health alone. I waited until I had my OAP to get my file; but it then made so much sense why I couldn't go through with a UP application. I was simply just too Ill to deal with it and it's made me wonder how many others have missed out through being simply too ill, and that's what makes me angry.......they don't need legislation; they just need to do a paper review. You meet it or you don't. That doesn't mess with people's heads though; and I believe that's the whole point of the current process. Cheers bear P.S. How crazy are they? On the 24 January on DSP I could go OS for 28 days paid in one year. On 25 January on OAP i could go OS paid and never return if that's my wish. Truly bizarre....... I don't know what the OAP is?? Also it seems a little contradictory that- say you meet the 30 points that consider u "severely impaired" then wouldn't they argue that u are "too ill" to go overseas alone?? I would be in regular contact with my Australian Psychiatrist while away, to monitor medication (for possible increases,decreases or any other changes) But would that even make a difference to a UP application?
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Post by firefly on May 12, 2020 5:18:53 GMT 7
You really do need to know how many points you have before making any decisions firefly. And when you were assessed, and which tables were used. When you apply for UP, centrelink will review your eligibility for both UP and DSP using the information they have as well as what is in your application. Without being nasty, what you, your psychiatrist or anyone else consider the number of points you 'should' have can also be open to interpretation. Knowing what you do have before application is vital. Welfare rights (at the community legal centres in Tas) are helpful once you have the information you need. Its really worth taking time to prepare a good application, minimise stress of appeals and having to interact with centrelink more than necessary. Helpful as always Tasjo. I will apply for my file to be released under FOI so I can go over it thoroughly. I just need to find the correct dates that will cover the entire time frame. Time is on my side as I am not planning on going anywhere til March 2021 still. I totally agree while what me, the psych and others may see 30 points that does not mean CL will tick the same boxes... Although I do hope that once armed with all information AND new reports from the health professionals I will be in a more prepared position to apply and when it comes to CL... i always allocate time for appeals! Lol.
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Post by firefly on May 12, 2020 5:22:28 GMT 7
Yes, me also. My points were far higher than I was led to believe. My lawyer saw in 5 minutes in my file what they didn't reveal ever in 8 years. They have no legal obligation to tell us. Fo file is so important to get. By the way, when did you get DSP? If after 2012 then UP is possibly easier to get as rules have been far harsher since then in just getting DSP. Hey nomadic, I'm not sure of which year I was granted the DSP, from memory... which is poor... i think 2015. Are u saying that if granted AFTER 2012 it may be easier... or do u mean harder to be granted UP? Also,if you down mind me asking, have u urself applied for UP and been successful? 🙂
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Post by timber on May 12, 2020 5:40:49 GMT 7
FireFly, you mentioned earlier that you have been working part time on the Dsp. That fact isn't going to help you get U.P.
Bear or Tasjo will probably be able to fill in the finer details. Sorry but I'm not capable.
While I'm mentioning them, I would like to give a big thanks to Bear and Tasjo for continually supplying pretty accurate advice, based on the legislation to all the threads that pop up. I'm not much help in that department, as my head functioning deteriorates.
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Post by bear on May 12, 2020 6:07:37 GMT 7
OAP=Old Aged Pension....... I think the department have dropped the "old" to placate the Politically Correct brigade. Possibly something to do with "old" contributing in making the descriptor a double negative ageist term. Weirdos...... cheers bear
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