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Post by genx on Feb 25, 2021 11:31:56 GMT 7
Baseline: You have an impairment rating of 20 points or more in a single table.
1. The condition is fully diagnosed, treated and stabilised.
2. The condition will last more than 5 years and remain unchanged.
3. Future work capacity is less than 2 hours per week.
If you meet all of the above criteria, and you have documentation by qualified medical professionals that states this clearly, you should be granted Indefinite Portability.
Don't assume that Job Capacity Assessors will approve your application unless the functional impact of your condition is fully elaborated. You may think "but I had a lobotomy. Surely the JCA will understand the implications of that". No, they will not. The functional effects the lobotomy on your life must be clearly elucidated in documentation, and not merely by your own testimony, but by those people with medical standing to do so.
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Post by bear on Feb 25, 2021 13:31:52 GMT 7
genx That sums it up quite succinctly I would think.... Cheers bear
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Post by Banjo on Feb 25, 2021 17:09:46 GMT 7
The single table stuff really gets up my nose, if DSP can be granted on multiple disabilities portability should be as well.
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Post by genx on Feb 25, 2021 18:20:05 GMT 7
The single table stuff really gets up my nose, if DSP can be granted on multiple disabilities portability should be as well. What gets me is that the DSP application is designed so as to give the impression that is all you need to do is fulfill the minimum requirements for DSP, when in fact if you want to have a decent chance at Indefinite Portability your application for the DSP should reflect that. If, for example, your DSP medical evidence indicates that you can work more than two hours per week, your application for IP is unlikely to be approved. Imagine the mendacity of rejecting the IP of someone that can supposedly work "3 hours per week" based on the assessment of a Job Capacity Assessor.
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Post by Banjo on Feb 26, 2021 7:05:55 GMT 7
The two hours a week is a load of rubbish as well, I once had an assessor say to a member, "two hours a week is about half an hour a day, you could spend that sitting in a carpark payment booth". Yes, there's so many jobs around for people who can work 30 minutes a day.
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Post by nomadic on Feb 26, 2021 8:24:22 GMT 7
The single table stuff really gets up my nose, if DSP can be granted on multiple disabilities portability should be as well. There is no mask available to stop anything Centrelink from getting up your nose. Far more deadly than COVID. I need anger management every time I see this stuff. They just do not believe ANYBODY on welfare should be happy. Either live in misery or suicide are the only options available for most. Their hatred towards other groups of humans different from them really is no different to Hitler and Nazi Germany. Do we need a war to stop them also? Like waiting for a bus in Laos. "It be coming" GGGGGRRRROOOOOWWWWWLLLLL!
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Post by genx on Feb 26, 2021 15:52:03 GMT 7
The two hours a week is a load of rubbish as well, I once had an assessor say to a member, "two hours a week is about half an hour a day, you could spend that sitting in a carpark payment booth". Yes, there's so many jobs around for people who can work 30 minutes a day. >Two hours per week >The law says that the minimum shift is 4 hours per day.
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Post by genx on Feb 26, 2021 15:55:37 GMT 7
The single table stuff really gets up my nose, if DSP can be granted on multiple disabilities portability should be as well. Like waiting for a bus in Laos. "It be coming" GGGGGRRRROOOOOWWWWWLLLLL! They only have a problem with you if you actually live in Laos or a similar low cost country. If you live in Switzerland, which is twice the cost of living of Australia, no one has a problem with you because you are even poorer than had you remained in Australia. The 'problems' begin when you live in a low cost country and manage to mitigate your disability.
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Post by bear on Feb 26, 2021 17:32:07 GMT 7
Like waiting for a bus in Laos. "It be coming" GGGGGRRRROOOOOWWWWWLLLLL! They only have a problem with you if you actually live in Laos or a similar low cost country. If you live in Switzerland, which is twice the cost of living of Australia, no one has a problem with you because you are even poorer than had you remained in Australia. The 'problems' begin when you live in a low cost country and manage to mitigate your disability. Absolutely.....being disabled and poor definitely exacerbates your original disabilities and fosters others in a first world country. Musculoskeletal issues, plus lack of sleep through undiagnosed issues without suitable medication and little food; next thing you know you've got major mental health issues on top of your original problems. Well that was jolly!! Cheers bear
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Post by tasjo on Feb 26, 2021 17:55:29 GMT 7
If they really wanted to, by far the simplest way of doing things would be to say that anyone who qualifies for any pension automatically qualifies for UP/IP while on a pension.
There would be no need then for additional assessments, no need for extra rules for Carers Payment, Aged Pension etc... think of the 'savings'!
Anyone that wants to stay in Australia would, those that want to stay overseas for however long, could.
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Post by tasjo on Feb 26, 2021 17:57:58 GMT 7
The single table stuff really gets up my nose, if DSP can be granted on multiple disabilities portability should be as well. Significantly more difficult to qualify across multiple tables though Banjo and it shouldnt be
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Post by nomadic on Feb 27, 2021 21:56:42 GMT 7
If they really wanted to, by far the simplest way of doing things would be to say that anyone who qualifies for any pension automatically qualifies for UP/IP while on a pension. There would be no need then for additional assessments, no need for extra rules for Carers Payment, Aged Pension etc... think of the 'savings'! Anyone that wants to stay in Australia would, those that want to stay overseas for however long, could. How it used to be before they became butchers of the disabled. Back in 199 it was UP for all disabled. Then they found out we were happy and said "No we can't have happy people on welfare"
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Post by tasjo on Feb 28, 2021 14:58:55 GMT 7
I think the big shift is in considering DSP and Carers Payment as 'working' payments rather than as a Pension payment.
Realistically, how much difference has it made to the budget? I suspect very little once inflation etc are taken into account, particularly once you do take into account that its still the minority that do actually go overseas for extended breaks. Those that do would still lose some benefits after 6 weeks as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:52:49 GMT 7
Hi All,
Lodged my paperwork today for indefinite portability. I was granted DSP on 09/02/2021 and the following day requested paperwork for indefinite portability. I received 20 points under table 5 for mental health. My treating psychiatrist completed the Centrelink doctor reports ticking the condition will persist for more than 5 years and remain unchanged for the next 5 years. Also he completed his own report to attach stating I have a permanent continuing inability to work and and no future work capacity and he recommends I be granted indefinite portability. I also attached to independent medical examiners report from my workers compensation both stating no future work capacity on the open labour market. So let’s hope 3 psychiatrist stating permanent incapacity helps me, I couldn’t possibly supply anymore supporting evidence.
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Post by genx on Mar 10, 2021 16:47:24 GMT 7
I also attached to independent medical examiners report from my workers compensation both stating no future work capacity on the open labour market. So let’s hope 3 psychiatrist stating permanent incapacity helps me, I couldn’t possibly supply anymore supporting evidence. Your medico-legal report from the independent medical examiner will stand you in good stead. That gives me an idea about how I might obtain a report like that myself.
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