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Post by genx on Jan 19, 2024 14:45:38 GMT 7
My girlfriend has a high income. She lives overseas at the moment. I would like to take it to the next level with marriage or at least defacto. What the problem? If we were a registered couple, by DSP would likely go down to $0. I would be contributing nothing. And because of this, she doesn't want to move forward with that. She has already accepted that I am low income.
In this situation, it looks like Centrelink is standing in the way establishing a relationship. I have heard of Section 24 to have financial arrangements considered separate by Centrelink under the "special reasons", but generally the reason is hardship, poverty or domestic violence, not too much income by the non Centrelink receiving partner. Any thoughts?
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Post by bear on Jan 20, 2024 6:18:22 GMT 7
Unfortunately if moving forward to marriage or defacto is a mutual goal, your summary of the situation is correct. Anecdotally Section 24's can be just as pointless when the requirements of hardship are met but the application is denied because, it's alerted them to your relationship status and DSP is reduced by about a third to married rate anyhow and appeals if successful can be long and drawn out over many years. The application form is virtually a forensic accounting investigation which addresses a partner's bank accounts, real estate holdings etc. and also.includes their immediate family members. One member had a Section 24 when they were both in Australia which was revoked when they moved back overseas as it was deemed the partner's parents could 'help them out'....... Another member had a Section 24 overseas and went to Australia as a family but ended up returning overseas where it was promptly revoked, because it was deemed they can have a better life in Australia and the hardships were self inflicted........ My thoughts genx 'n' nothing to cheer about; 🐻 |
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Post by tasjo on Jan 20, 2024 6:25:28 GMT 7
Have you looked into whether you would fit into the 'married but living separately due to disability' category?
I'm not sure of your personal circumstances genx but that would be the something else I would look at.
The income thresholds have gone up reasonably high now (particularly for one person) - maybe also worth looking at whether over a period of time (13 week periods are good with centrelink) you can have time that you qualify?
Others may have other suggestions (possibly that she claims carers allowance for you?)
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Post by Banjo on Jan 20, 2024 6:45:11 GMT 7
A friend married a girl he met overseas, when she came to Australia she got a job, worked hard and learned quickly and as she rose in the company his pension slowly got smaller and finally disappeared. She does give him an allowance though...  |
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Post by bear on Jan 20, 2024 7:08:24 GMT 7
Have you looked into whether you would fit into the 'married but living separately (under one roof) due to disability' category? I'm not sure of your personal circumstances genx but that would be the something else I would look at. The income thresholds have gone up reasonably high now (particularly for one person) - maybe also worth looking at whether over a period of time (13 week periods are good with centrelink) you can have time that you qualify? Others may have other suggestions (possibly that she claims carers allowance for you?) All good suggestions tasjo , though I think they'd only apply if living in Australia and would be determined by the partner's status i.e. Australian Citizen, Permanent Resident or Foreign National. Simply making inquires could see you being flagged imo or, maybe that's just my pre-disposition to paranoia coming to the fore again. Cheers 🐻 |
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Post by tasjo on Jan 20, 2024 15:18:17 GMT 7
Have you looked into whether you would fit into the 'married but living separately (under one roof) due to disability' category? I'm not sure of your personal circumstances genx but that would be the something else I would look at. The income thresholds have gone up reasonably high now (particularly for one person) - maybe also worth looking at whether over a period of time (13 week periods are good with centrelink) you can have time that you qualify? Others may have other suggestions (possibly that she claims carers allowance for you?) All good suggestions tasjo , though I think they'd only apply if living in Australia and would be determined by the partner's status i.e. Australian Citizen, Permanent Resident or Foreign National. Simply making inquires could see you being flagged imo or, maybe that's just my pre-disposition to paranoia coming to the fore again. Cheers 🐻 I have someone I know about to make enquiries about this so will share what I find out. Different circumstances but would be applying for the single rate due to living separately. |
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Post by itsmylife08 on Jan 20, 2024 16:20:29 GMT 7
All good suggestions tasjo , though I think they'd only apply if living in Australia and would be determined by the partner's status i.e. Australian Citizen, Permanent Resident or Foreign National. Simply making inquires could see you being flagged imo or, maybe that's just my pre-disposition to paranoia coming to the fore again. Cheers 🐻 Couldn't agree more bear, I guess that's what happened to me over the years with all the inquiries that I made. IMHO I believe that was part of my problem and heightened my Paranoia also. If I had my way again I'd have said  Zip. Cheers Itsa P/S Hindsight is a wonderful thing !!! The least said the less mended !!! |
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Post by genx on Jan 20, 2024 17:50:44 GMT 7
Simply making inquires could see you being flagged imo or, maybe that's just my pre-disposition to paranoia coming to the fore again. Cheers 🐻 I have completed my research into this. Quite simply, in my situation, I would be ineligible for Section 24. A high income partner is expected to support the welfare dependent significant other entirely. The law here is working as intended. However, it seriously narrows the kind of relationship that someone dependent on welfare may have. I suspect that, as a result, many pairings are people both of whom are receiving government benefits. It's hard to see how this is in the public interest to have children raised in homes in which both parents are welfare dependent. It is less than ideal, and government policies are ensuring it. I'd say that the next advance for eusocial welfare in Australia should and must be applying the single rate to everyone regardless of relationship status or income of the partner. The welfare dependent party has to bring some resources to the table or they are dead weight. |
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jan 21, 2024 17:14:06 GMT 7
Not an easy situation for you genx. All the best for the future. |
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Post by nomadic on Jan 21, 2024 20:09:33 GMT 7
For my 10 cents worth I'd be Sgt Schultz. Know and say nufink. In another country in a de facto how could they possibly find out?
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Post by shermos on Jan 22, 2024 8:38:31 GMT 7
For my 10 cents worth I'd be Sgt Schultz. Know and say nufink. In another country in a de facto how could they possibly find out?
Unfortunately I agree with you Nomadic. I asked Centrelink to review the decision to reduce my payment on section 24 grounds in March last year and I'm still waiting for a response (I'm about to complain to the Commonwealth Ombudsman). Sometimes it's possible to be too honest with Centrelink. You have to be careful about what you try to keep to yourself though, as they do have some pretty intrusive powers to investigate your situation were you to get flagged.
And Genx, you are not dead weight. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. You may need to have a talk with your partner about how unfair Australian Social Security law is. Tell them you want to contribute to the relationship as much as you can, it's just that it may have to be in ways other than financial.
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Post by will on Feb 13, 2024 5:51:24 GMT 7
If you feel obligated to tell them that you are dating up well that's up to you. Personally they couldn't torture that information out of me.
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Post by itsmylife08 on Feb 15, 2024 7:31:02 GMT 7
My girlfriend has a high income. She lives overseas at the moment. I would like to take it to the next level with marriage or at least defacto. What the problem? If we were a registered couple, by DSP would likely go down to $0. I would be contributing nothing. And because of this, she doesn't want to move forward with that. She has already accepted that I am low income. In this situation, it looks like Centrelink is standing in the way establishing a relationship. I have heard of Section 24 to have financial arrangements considered separate by Centrelink under the "special reasons", but generally the reason is hardship, poverty or domestic violence, not too much income by the non Centrelink receiving partner. Any thoughts? |
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Post by itsmylife08 on Feb 15, 2024 7:42:05 GMT 7
I'll call a spade a spade genx,if you want to retain your your DSP do not and I repeat do not divulge any personal information about private matters, especially to those who think they must be obeyed, we all know who they are right? God they give me the irits!!!
Regards Itsa 😡
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Post by bear on Feb 15, 2024 8:06:47 GMT 7
Personally genx I think in all situations. Relationships were being strained by the ever decreasing amounts of portability available even before they brought the hammer down with the 28 day rule. Amazingly, prior to that it was still possible to do alternating six week stints on DSP. Cheers 🐻 |
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