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Post by Denis-NFA on Dec 17, 2012 1:32:00 GMT 7
There is some discussion and conjecture in relation to a High Court case that is occurring in Victoria with the assistance of Victorian Legal Aid, see dspoverseas.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theactandwhateffectsus&action=display&thread=1818What this case really underscores and highlights and rings alarm bells, for me, is the absolute necessity and importance and imperative and legal obligation upon me to notify Centrelink of ANY change in my circumstances within 14 days. Not only that but as a potential DSP Overseas visitor I should be aware that there is a direction to notify Centrelink of my intent to travel at least 14 days in advance and if I fail to do so then I do not comply with the ongoing requirements to receive DSP. And I'm just saying! |
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Post by Banjo on Dec 17, 2012 6:43:51 GMT 7
This is a good point, I've never given them that sort of notice and was told back in the good old days I was supposed to give them 6 weeks, which was confirmed by WRG.
What is a "direction" do you think?
Would this be something like a rule that they have the discretion not to enforce?
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Post by Denis-NFA on Dec 17, 2012 8:16:13 GMT 7
Banjo..."direction"..... ;D.....
You have no idea of the contempt I have for the "system".
All I am saying (is give peace a chance) that what used to be okay can now be criminalised. And that is the real importance of the Legal Aid Victoria challenge in the High Court.
Imagine (all the people) if they decided to include "residency" back to 2000 in their criminal charges.
I went overseas in November 2011, came back for the mandatory 'landing' in February 2012 and left straight away, came back again in the mandatory time frame in May 2012, and they were waiting for me and 'got' me.
I have no idea what "directions" you received just as you have no idea what "directions" I received.
But all I am learning and trying to teach myself is the Social Security Law.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Dec 17, 2012 8:38:10 GMT 7
And Banjo,
Forgive me....direction.....Now that I am an acknowledged Australian 'resident' I have started to go back through some of the stuff that has appeared on this board.
I used the word "direction" because I saw the "rule" that I had to notify Centrelink at least 14 days before I went overseas, the other early morning.
And yes Banker, now that I have secured my 'Residency', other things wake me in the night.
I chose the word 'direction' because I was unable to find again that statement, "I have to give at least 14 days notice before leaving Australia".
But it is there somewhere.
And I will declare that I believe that I am the first person on this board to apply for Unlimited Portability (October 2011).
And Cheetle, make sure that your UP is written in stone and that it is for life because I now know that "The Minister" can change the definition of Impairment at any time they choose to do it.
Just saying!
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Post by Banjo on Dec 17, 2012 9:57:42 GMT 7
Good points, but believe me, direction is a well used term in the Centrelink armoury.
My definition it is something that is not covered in the rules, as in "The Guide to Social Security Law" but something they can pull on you using their equally imaginary powers of discretion.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Dec 17, 2012 11:07:44 GMT 7
Banjo, completely agree with you.
If I had known in May what I now know from reading this "blog" I would have ferked them up further.
My whole point is that C/L is not our friend and in fact they could criminalise any of us at a moments whim.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 17, 2012 11:39:30 GMT 7
It's important to keep in mind that they would prefer not to be our enemy either, they're public servants and they love the easy ride.
Keep your ducks in a row, make sure you're right and always keep the discourse at a polite level and most people get through.
How many million people are receiving some sort of Centrelink benefit painlessly?
All we want is to be among them.
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Post by peter on Dec 17, 2012 13:38:18 GMT 7
That is correct Banjo. Just get one's name on the public service payroll...........Centrelink benefits side not the Australia Fund side, and keep it "yes sir, and no sir, and three bags full Sir!" and stay out of trouble.
To do so learn the rules to know the system and thus stay out of trouble.
Maybe one day there will be a revolution but it will not be whilst there are millions drugged to sleep on the Centrelink system.
In the old days, the way to stop revolutions was to only allow property holders to vote.
Centrelink is a modern day version of that in that the property holders.............the stake holders...........are now on the government payroll as payment receivers and can be counted as status quo upholders a few moans and groans perhaps but not too many.
I am not sure what the number of taxpayers are now, but its a lot lot less since they made the first $18.000 of income tax free.
And the remaining taxpayers are too few, too conservative and too married to the system to want to or to be able to change the system.
Additionally, most of the wealth being spread around Australia does not come from "work" but comes from the natural resource wealth and the "work" is done by machines.
Australia is a modern day Saudi, a very complacent place, and no drastic changes are going to take place..............government spin words notwithstanding.
Just settle back and go along for the ride:
"row, row, row your boat,
gently down the stream,
merrily, merrily merrily,
life is but a dream".
Better even to throw that oar away, and let the dream takes its course for the Chinese concept of "wu wei"..............leave things be...........has a lot of wisdom in it. When one can do that, life may not be merry, but it will certainly be happy.
This may sound defeatist, but attempting to change large systems, out of season, is a most frustating exercise in futility. Better to find another dream.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Dec 17, 2012 14:41:18 GMT 7
peter... I think we do have to be defeatist because while we are feeling 'shitty' about our 'treatment'.... they are winning! And I got shitty back in May and it took some time for me to calm down. Mainly because I had to disrupt the life that I was directed I could live. Talk about being young and naive!
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Post by Banjo on Dec 17, 2012 15:13:03 GMT 7
18,000 isn't much, I suppose that's 36,000 for a couple.
I don't really think about tax much these days and what I did know I've forgotten.
I do know the thought of thousand of kids leaving high school each year with no job to go to horrifies me.
And the ones with further education prospects want a gap year to recover from High School, bloody hell, I couldn't wait to be earning.
I do know the winds of change are beginning to blow, they CANNOT afford to pay welfare like they have been, which means that they create more jobs or people start starving... and that does lead to revolutions.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Dec 17, 2012 16:23:03 GMT 7
@banjo.....what staggers me...because it is the opposite of what the treasurer of Australia said in his 2011 budget speech....I now get paid $23,233.60....if I was holidaying o/s I would be paid $18,512.00...a difference of $4,721.60.
In other words the Australian taxpayer is shelling out an extra 25.5% just to keep me from becoming a "DSP Jestsetter".
Someone is fu*ked in the head!
Must be me!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Banjo on Dec 17, 2012 16:28:41 GMT 7
Don't forget to write to your MP.
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