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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 5:59:11 GMT 7
if the working people of australia have to kick in an extra $300 a year to medicare to get this country out of the shit,do you think we on dsp could cough up say $10,20 each,its not much,what do you think,only after thoughts here lol.
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Post by newtodsp on Apr 30, 2013 12:52:13 GMT 7
"A crackdown on disability payments, along the line of Britain's review and reforms, would provide savings for the commonwealth from disability pensions." www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/health/levy-on-table-to-fund-15bn-ndis/story-fn59nokw-1226631896053 Have you guys had a look at this article - they talk about UK style disability reforms, tightening up requirements of the dsp, I wonder how they can do that any further? I mean, do u guys think this means pushing through everyone through the review process, so they can cut 30-40percent off as per the new tables or tightening the tables further? Just so scary its hard to relax and look after my health! But, it could be speculation only, though if the Labor party start tightening and reviewing, we can only expect the liberals to continue with that process... hold on tight everyone, remember we deserve to survive too, we are entitled to NOT be on newstart, we deserve to be able to afford our meds, treatments, and not to mention rent! I wish lots of people suddenly get sick so they can develop more compassion, it seems compassion for the disabled is sorely missing... also, my rent is going up from next month, its so stressful dealing with rent on the pension, I can't imagine if we have to rent on newstart? surely that should be grounds for us to live overseas its impossible to live on newstart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 16:30:46 GMT 7
I think your better off worrying about your rent than what's happening in the UK, Newtodsp, just a thought mate:) Cheers... Cheetal...
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Post by peter on Apr 30, 2013 17:24:53 GMT 7
The article states, " a crackdown on disability pensions along the lines of Britain's review and reforms, would provide savings for the Commonwealth from disability pensions".
I saw a reference like this last year and posted it to the Board, somewhat in disbelief, as I could not figure out what "savings" they might get from DSP other than a tightening of the entry eligibility requirements, which they did, and reduced the numbers from 830,000 to 820,000. Not much saving in that.
But I was not aware at the time of what the UK government had in mind. But the author of the reference to "savings" that I read last year was aware of what the UK government had in mind. The author would be some financial strategist in Treasury thinking up "saving alternatives for the government to consider".
Well, the savings to help fund the NIDS and other budget proposals has been leaked now as "savings along the lines of the UK government's review and reforms of DSP payments.".
What the UK government is doing is reviewing all persons collecting DSP in the UK, and the number is being reduced as a result of the review.
The DSP in the UK had been used as a holding pen, for the "difficult to employ" who were classified as "disabled" to get them out of the way. The UK goverment has now said that that was bad policy and they want to "correct" it.
But the UK has a Conservative Government, whereas in Australia, we have a Labor Government, so its unlikely, that any serious review to reduce DSP numbers would take place here.
But they have got nothing to lose, cause they have lost already.And if they could take the single mothers off, then it might also be the case that it is not so hard to "tighten up" on the DSP as one of the hard decisions they have to take to fund their new programmes in a "responsible" way.
Budget night will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 17:47:29 GMT 7
The article states, " a crackdown on disability pensions along the lines of Britain's review and reforms, would provide savings for the Commonwealth from disability pensions". I saw a reference like this last year and posted it to the Board, somewhat in disbelief, as I could not figure out what "savings" they might get from DSP other than a tightening of the entry eligibility requirements, which they did, and reduced the numbers from 830,000 to 820,000. Not much saving in that. But I was not aware at the time of what the UK government had in mind. But the author of the reference to "savings" that I read last year was aware of what the UK government had in mind. The author would be some financial strategist in Treasury thinking up "saving alternatives for the government to consider". Well, the savings to help fund the NIDS and other budget proposals has been leaked now as "savings along the lines of the UK government's review and reforms of DSP payments.". What the UK government is doing is reviewing all persons collecting DSP in the UK, and the number is being reduced as a result of the review. The DSP in the UK had been used as a holding pen, for the "difficult to employ" who were classified as "disabled" to get them out of the way. The UK goverment has now said that that was bad policy and they want to "correct" it. But the UK has a Conservative Government, whereas in Australia, we have a Labor Government, so its unlikely, that any serious review to reduce DSP numbers would take place here. But they have got nothing to lose, cause they have lost already.And if they could take the single mothers off, then it might also be the case that it is not so hard to "tighten up" on the DSP as one of the hard decisions they have to take to fund their new programmes in a "responsible" way. Budget night will tell. Yes the so called Labor government didn't mind kicking the single parents off their pensions so l guess they could do the same to 30-40% of people on DSP, they just need to review everyone under the new unfair 2011 medical tables and they can do it like they did in the UK where 900,000 people lost their pensions, l cant see businesses all lining up to give jobs to hundreds of thousands of people with medical problems that haven't worked for years, the Politians will crap on about' tough love' and best welfare is a job but where will hundreds of thosuands of new jobs come from and jobs that can accommodate disabilities . l guess the politicans don't care about that part only getting the extra money from kicking hundreds of thousands onto the much lower Newstart of $250 per week, absolute poverty.
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Post by newtodsp on Apr 30, 2013 20:02:51 GMT 7
I think your better off worrying about your rent than what's happening in the UK, Newtodsp, just a thought mate:) Cheers... Cheetal... yes, I got consumer affairs to examine the rent increase! I was wondering whether there is a section on this board for how to save money/be frugal? I think that kind of discussion would benefit lots of us...not sure if people know that your state might have a free service where consumer affairs will come and inspect your rent increase and see if its fair, in the past the inspector was quite fair, unfortunately the new one i got could go in and bat for the little renter a bit more often...housing is not considered a human right in this country, all they look at is market value of rent..some countries/cities eg NYC have rent control...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 8:51:32 GMT 7
I think your better off worrying about your rent than what's happening in the UK, Newtodsp, just a thought mate:) Cheers... Cheetal... yes, I got consumer affairs to examine the rent increase! I was wondering whether there is a section on this board for how to save money/be frugal? I think that kind of discussion would benefit lots of us...not sure if people know that your state might have a free service where consumer affairs will come and inspect your rent increase and see if its fair, in the past the inspector was quite fair, unfortunately the new one i got could go in and bat for the little renter a bit more often...housing is not considered a human right in this country, all they look at is market value of rent..some countries/cities eg NYC have rent control... I agree with you totally that there should be some form of government rent control, because people in my area Mackay QLD, pay between $150-$200, just for a single room and because of the coal mining industry here! I have a beautiful Dept of Housing single unit which costs $78 per week, so I don't know how people can charge those sorts of prices, but they do unfortunately. As for saving Newtodsp; it's up to the individual and progress saver/term deposits might be worth your looking into mate:) Cheers... Cheetal...
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Post by Banjo on May 1, 2013 9:29:51 GMT 7
Read something the other day that the value of domestic property is expected to double in the near future... no doubt rent will follow accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 12:35:12 GMT 7
iam sure they will make some problems for DSP holder in near future.wouldnt surprise me of they reassess everyone new. that will easy get 200000-300000 people of the DSP. huge money to be saved. cant agree with the property market banjo, this market is in the process of dying a slow death just like japan is doing past 25years. next decade -30 to 40% down. this market saw his top all ready. rents are the highest in the world they only can go down from here. www.greenleft.org.au/node/48405yes all they have to do is re-assess everyone on the DSP now under the new 2011 medical tables and they can kick 40% off onto third world poverty newstart and they will save billions which they can use to pay for the NDIS, Their not going to tax the billions the miners or banks make to pay for the NDIS its much easier for them to pick on those that cant fight back with lawyers and media campagns
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Post by Banjo on May 1, 2013 13:54:15 GMT 7
Hope you're right about the property market, I see gold is going down as well. (The sky is falling, the sky is falling).
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Post by Banjo on May 1, 2013 17:11:56 GMT 7
Interesting you think the yen will drop further, might make Japan a DSP destination yet....
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 20:33:04 GMT 7
iam sure they will make some problems for DSP holder in near future.wouldnt surprise me of they reassess everyone new. that will easy get 200000-300000 people of the DSP. huge money to be saved. cant agree with the property market banjo, this market is in the process of dying a slow death just like japan is doing past 25years. next decade -30 to 40% down. this market saw his top all ready. rents are the highest in the world they only can go down from here. www.greenleft.org.au/node/48405yes all they have to do is re-assess everyone on the DSP now under the new 2011 medical tables and they can kick 40% off onto third world poverty newstart and they will save billions which they can use to pay for the NDIS, Their not going to tax the billions the miners or banks make to pay for the NDIS its much easier for them to pick on those that cant fight back with lawyers and media campagns Top find Frugal, and I copied some of the proposals Macklin made reference to; which can only make you wonder. (“So I’m supportive of the government’s clear intention to ensure that as many people with disabilities as possible are out there in the community, working and paying taxes rather than receiving benefits.” Macklin said the tougher rules will help more people find employment.But the Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS) said it is worried the government’s plans to get disabled people into the workforce could instead simply force them on unemployment benefits.) How in Gods name will it "HELP" disabled people find work??? Cheetal...
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