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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 4:02:21 GMT 7
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Post by itsmylife08 on Nov 26, 2013 18:16:17 GMT 7
Very sad case indeed I truly empathize with the family I'm a former nurse also with similar conditions namely Spinal Stenosis and arthritis of the neck very debilitating  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 3:09:31 GMT 7
A 2 minute assessment, what a sham, private companies hired to do it, they would probably already decide before the assessment they will reject the person, probably to cash in extra fees.
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Post by aussieinusa on Dec 16, 2013 4:07:48 GMT 7
And notice how they can then all pass the blame amongst one another for cases like this: the company said, "Atos Healthcare [...] do not make decisions on people's benefit entitlement, nor are we involved in the appeal process" while the government says, "A decision on whether someone is well enough to work [...] takes into account the Work Capacity Assessment and all supporting medical evidence provided by the claimant. Often claimants come forward later with additional evidence, in which case we will look at their claim again or people can also appeal. Someone placed in the work-related activity group for ESA is not considered fit for work at the moment, nor are they expected to look for work."
So who's fault is it?
Not Atos; they didn't cut off her benefits (they just told the govt she was fit to work).
Not the govt; they can only work with the info they're given by Atos and the claimant. So if Atos and/or the claimant don't give them the right info, well, their hands are tied!
No, it's her own fault! She just totally didn't understand what "work-related activity" means, since it doesn't mean you should work or go look for work at all. Whose fault is that? Clearly hers, for not understanding that "work" doesn't mean "work" when bureaucrats say it, because to them "work" = setting up systems so they can never be to blame for anything they do.
Really appalling system; let's hope the appeals cost so many millions that any overall cost saving is completely wiped out, the whole thing is deemed a huge failure, the poor blighters in the UK are given some respite at last, and no bright spark starts thinking of doing the same thing to us here. The changes to the assessment tables a couple of years ago were bad enough.
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Post by latindancer on Dec 16, 2013 5:37:39 GMT 7
This is a correct observation. Usually in society, when unfairness is encountered, there is a feedback mechanism which operates by people objecting, demonstrating, and sometimes screaming blue murder.....after which the authorities realize something is wrong and change things.
This does not always happen when dealing with disabled people. Many of them suffer from depression. However even those who don't have often been so ground down by their life circumstances that they just give up and let their lives fall to pieces or else commit suicide.
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Post by aussieinusa on Dec 17, 2013 8:49:44 GMT 7
This does not always happen when dealing with disabled people. Many of them suffer from depression. However even those who don't have often been so ground down by their life circumstances that they just give up and let their lives fall to pieces or else commit suicide. You're so right. Frankly, changes like this... they effect some people who can barely talk at all. A lot of others who can't communicate their point clearly or in a way others understand. A lot of others who don't communicate much of anything at all, because they don't say anything because they're depressed. And yes, many do just 'let' their lives fall down around them, because they don't have the capacity to challenge changes like these. And then they're homeless, or very close to it (crappy room in a boarding house or whatever), and become basically invisible. I do feel like those of us who can stand up and do something should, for all those who can't. People with disabilities (i.e. basically all of us) are way too easy a group to pick on, as things are. |
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