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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 14:04:00 GMT 7
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Post by latindancer on Nov 9, 2017 17:55:28 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 4:22:34 GMT 7
In Ceduna and most of the places the card is enforced DSP's have to go on it, but in Queensland in Bundaberg region DSP's are exempt from the card atleast for now, l wonder if they did role the card out nationally if us DSP's would be exempt, the liberals might be affriad of a public backlash against the card if DSPs and carers are on the card and its easier to get the card rolled out if we are exempt. But then l guess even if they did exempt the DSP's in a national rollout they could always change their mind and dump us on t he card a couple years down the track. l don't think the card will work anyway, From what l read the basics card was a huge failure wasting a billion taxpayers money and had no positive results. l don't drink but if l did drink theres no way the card would stop me, people will just lend the card to friends or relatives to buy their groceries in return for cash or you could buy goods that are easy to sell for cash with the card
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Post by mspurple on Nov 10, 2017 5:00:00 GMT 7
In Ceduna and most of the places the card is enforced DSP's have to go on it, but in Queensland in Bundaberg region DSP's are exempt from the card atleast for now, l wonder if they did role the card out nationally if us DSP's would be exempt, the liberals might be affriad of a public backlash against the card if DSPs and carers are on the card and its easier to get the card rolled out if we are exempt I read somewhere that the community is (or has been) involved in the decision making regarding the finer details of who goes on it. I am not sure if this is for all places they are introducing the card or only certain places. It may have only been for the trial areas, I don't really know. There have so many different articles I have read, none of them seem to give the same information though. Some of them seem to indicate that the card will be used by all welfare recipients except OAP, others seem to indicate that the decision of which welfare payments will not have to use the card, will be left up to the local community. I wonder why they have included DSP payments in most of the places, but not the Bundaberg region. What was the reason for the differences? Does anyone know?
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Post by agonydan on Nov 10, 2017 5:50:54 GMT 7
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Post by nomadic on Nov 10, 2017 6:50:11 GMT 7
I don't believe for one second that this card will ever be rolled out 100% and most likely nobody will end up with it as it simply can't work. So no more panic please. We are only a handful of the millions on welfare. But because of this forum we are far more informed than most others. All the reasons given by everyone for it not working and even being illegal human rights abuse are well understood and will ensure it never happens. There would be a mass uproar unequaled if it did and politicians know this. They are just trying to show the uniformed public a publicity stunt to make them think they are doing something to stop all those ills the public don't think those on welfare should enjoy. So I'm going to have a bet just despite them. And a Friday beer also just in case i am wrong like my other horse tips.
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Post by mspurple on Nov 10, 2017 7:44:07 GMT 7
Nomadic, I sure hope you are right about them not being able to fully implement this barbaric idea of major control over us all.
Enjoy your bet and beer, especially since you know you are not entitled to do these things with YOUR money because you are not responsible enough to make informed decisions. Haha, what a joke this whole idea is. How evil or out of touch with reality does someones thinking have to get before one can come up with an idea such as this cashless card?
I honestly have my hopes up that the whole thing gets thrown on the scrap heap, however, I am also trying to work out how this set up would best work for me, just in case they do manage to push through with it. I don't want to sit here thinking along the lines of it not being a possibility and then getting the shock of my life if they do implement it. I suppose for me it is a case of: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Have a beer for me too, I can't tolerate alcohol anymore, but sometimes I still really feel like one or two nice cold ones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 9:47:35 GMT 7
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Post by mulloway on Nov 10, 2017 15:10:56 GMT 7
Dito - signed the petition also, almost 1000 signatures already ...
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Post by itsmylife08 on Nov 10, 2017 16:14:04 GMT 7
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Signed it a few days ago
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Post by nomadic on Nov 10, 2017 16:29:18 GMT 7
Yeah bfbf part of my problem is that i no longer worry about anything and being on UP there is no way they could force it on us anyhow. But i'm the ultimate optimist these days. A friend once said that since the brain injury that i was abnormally happy and he was spot on. I'm only a two big bottles 3 days a week person but i do enjoy those three 5.00 p.m. days. I really think it would be the biggest protest in history if they put everyone on it so they wont i'm (ALMOST?), sure of that. Sadly I'm often sure of my horses also. but I respect your worry also. OK, nearly 5. Cheers.
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Post by Banjo on Nov 16, 2017 19:54:36 GMT 7
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Post by mikey on Dec 5, 2017 10:13:46 GMT 7
News just in from labor regards expanding card.
From Jenny Macklin and Linda Burney:
Federal Labor will support the continuation of the existing cashless debit card trial sites in Ceduna and the East Kimberley.
However Labor will not support the rollout of the cashless debit card to the two new proposed sites of Bundaberg and the Goldfields due to insufficient consultation with these communities, and the widespread criticism of the evaluation and the effectiveness of the card.
After conducting our own consultations with people in Bundaberg and the Goldfields and hearing evidence from the Senate inquiry, it has become clear that Labor cannot support social services legislation amendment (cashless debit card) bill 2017 in its current form.
Labor believes that there is insufficient credible evidence at this point to support the establishment of further trials of the cashless debit card.
... Labor will move amendments to the bill to extend the end date for the trials in Ceduna and the East Kimberley to 30 June 2019 so that a proper evaluation can take place over a longer trial period.
We have always said that we are supportive of community-driven initiatives designed to tackle chronic alcohol abuse. But they must be genuinely community driven and not be part of a top-down approach.
Labor understands that entrenched disadvantage cannot, and will not, be solved by income management alone. That’s why we have always advocated for the government to provide additional wraparound supports to participating communities.
We are calling on the Senate to support our amendment that funding for these vital wraparound service be guaranteed in the legislation.
In future, Labor will only consider the introduction of any new trial sites if the government can show that the community have agreed through a formal consultation process with the community, as well as an agreed definition of consent, and have established an evidence base through a robust and credible evaluation.
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Post by mspurple on Dec 5, 2017 11:26:01 GMT 7
That is great news Mikey, thanks for the update. I heard part of a news report this morning about the drug testing for welfare, unfortunately I couldn't get to the tv quick enough to hear it all though. I think it said that there is not enough support for the drug testing trail also. If any one has any updates on that, I would appreciate the update.
I am glad they are not getting the blind support that they were hoping for. Very pleased to hear they need more details about community input and proven evidence of benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 10:43:25 GMT 7
That's not good enough that they still support the other trials continuing.
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