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Post by krystal on Dec 9, 2017 21:29:12 GMT 7
I have always been of a view that the "Cashless Welfare Card" should be on a individual basis as in you have alcohol, drug or violence problem here is a Cash Management plan to go along with rehabilitation.
This "let's do it by area" is like demolishing a house because of an ant problem.
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Post by tasjo on Dec 10, 2017 7:03:01 GMT 7
I have always been of a view that the "Cashless Welfare Card" should be on a individual basis as in you have alcohol, drug or violence problem here is a Cash Management plan to go along with rehabilitation. This "let's do it by area" is like demolishing a house because of an ant problem. Same Krystal, I do know of a couple of people who would benefit massively from someone else managing their cash... or make centrepay more extensive and easier to set up.
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Post by mspurple on Dec 10, 2017 8:11:13 GMT 7
In the past, people who could not manage their money in the best interests of themselves were put under the control of state trustees. I do not understand why this already available system of money management has not been further implemented if they think more people need to have this sort of financial control.
Maybe because the huge amount of people they want to shove onto this card, do not and will not under any circumstances meet the necessary requirements to have this level of financial freedom to be taken from them?
I also know of a few people who could benefit from some forced assistance to manage their finances, however I do not see the cashless card being as much of a benefit as they want us to think it will be for these sort of people who could benefit from the assistance. It will not ensure the bills are paid or that good decisions are being made regarding the distribution of finances. It will only make it hard for them to have a bundle of cash, it will not necessarily mean they are using the cash in the correct way to ensure no debts incur. It is a rather harsh and barbaric way of ensuring nothing other than misery and extra hassles with meeting weekly needs.
Lucky I do not have to use this evil card. The eftpos facilities were down just now when I went to get fuel, good thing I had cash on me, I only found out the service was down after pumping the fuel! These sorts of things will pose a massive problem for individuals on the card and the businesses that the people on the cashless card use.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 10, 2017 8:31:51 GMT 7
I'll stick with my opinion that it's about making money for Indue, not about money management.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 10:02:07 GMT 7
No excuses to support this scheme tbh. People should be given help for issues but taking money off them doesn't help. Punishment does not help people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 12:59:25 GMT 7
I'll stick with my opinion that it's about making money for Indue, not about money management. Yes Tudge seems deperate to keep pushing the card to new areas even though labor and greens and most of the people don't want it, l wonder if theres some sort of link between INDUE the card company and the liberal party, this article suggests the card is a way of raising money for the liberal party theaimn.com/lnp-welfare-card-true-facts-exposed-corruption-disguised-philanthropy/quote "This is the real purpose of the LNP determination to adopt and expand the Welfare Card programme, that is, to obtain donations for the financially stressed LNP and to aid its supporters, donors and members"
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Post by latindancer on Dec 10, 2017 17:29:01 GMT 7
No excuses to support this scheme tbh. People should be given help for issues but taking money off them doesn't help. Punishment does not help people. I agree. But unfortunately our society is committed to being a punishment-style society. This is something I often mull over. Sometimes I think it's a hangover from our convict days, but then I look at the prisons in the USA. Possibly it is something which was passed down through English culture, having started there and elsewhere.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 10, 2017 17:45:42 GMT 7
I suspect it's an unemployed army thing, you get as many people out of work as you can with no safety net and you can make wages as low as you like.
They say this creates jobs....
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Post by anotherdsp on Dec 11, 2017 9:47:31 GMT 7
to wombat,of course it is a money making scheme for the lnp an mates,so this way they have a steady source of income for their campaign an mates,i assume there must be some sort of thresshold of cards neccesary to make a certain amount of income off the cards.once the numbers are right they wulk probably back off a bit? imho iam only guessing on all of this!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 11:56:35 GMT 7
I suspect it's an unemployed army thing, you get as many people out of work as you can with no safety net and you can make wages as low as you like. They say this creates jobs.... House breakers & Drug dealers?
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Post by Banjo on Dec 11, 2017 14:04:18 GMT 7
They would be the new middle class.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 15:25:41 GMT 7
to wombat,of course it is a money making scheme for the lnp an mates,so this way they have a steady source of income for their campaign an mates,i assume there must be some sort of thresshold of cards neccesary to make a certain amount of income off the cards.once the numbers are right they wulk probably back off a bit? imho iam only guessing on all of this! The card costs $10,000 per person per year which goes to INDUE card company with liberal /national party links, so imagine if all 2 million people on Centrelink payments of working age were on the card, that's $10,000 times 2 million going to INDUE, l think that comes to $2 billion a year not to mention INDUE gets a transaction fee everytime one of the 2 million people make a purchase, that's billions of taxpayers money a year that would go to INDUE company, l wonder how big a slice the liberals get, no wonder they are so desperate to roll the card out, its a license for them to print money. l bet they are all buying INDUE shares in their wives names
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Post by anotherdsp on Dec 11, 2017 17:58:24 GMT 7
to wombat,thats right mate,alot of $ in the offer,which come in handy when they finally stop foreign political donations! i forget what the ties were back to the Lnp but they are there,an i think they are already handing out donations to Lnp.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 13, 2017 18:03:58 GMT 7
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Post by nomadic on Dec 13, 2017 18:22:05 GMT 7
utter and complete bs from a politicians spin doctor as always.
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