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Post by leanne on Nov 2, 2019 15:49:36 GMT 7
Dear Bear,
The ill-government usual propaganda is the recurrent problem here. In fact, the real issue is that instead of peer-reviewed studies and facts, about the Cashless Debit Card, most news outlets write and discuss about "fairy tale anecdotes", successfully redirecting people to useless, false and time consuming debates, and unfortunately (for many different reasons) these "distractions" work quite well.
This is what we should really be discussing, spreading and pressing/screaming for:
The Cashless Debit Card trial in the East Kimberley
This paper focuses on the Cashless Debit Card trial in the East Kimberley, Western Australia. The card aims to restrict cash and purchases to curb alcohol consumption, illegal drug use and gambling. The card targets Indigenous people disproportionately – 82.0% of the people in the East Kimberley trial are Indigenous. The current study is based on 13 months of research into the Australian Government’s trial of the card in the East Kimberley. We review the card in the context of current policies to manage Indigenous consumption. We then look at aspects of the trial in the East Kimberley, including its implementation, lack of community engagement, community resistance and effects on money management. We find not only that the trial was chaotic, but that its logic is deeply flawed, and disconnected from the relational poverty experienced by people receiving state benefits. We also find that the card has become a symbol of government control and regulation in the study site.
Cheers, Leanne-
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 18:31:08 GMT 7
Thanks for the "Working Paper" leanne . I hope someone gets benefit from reading it. I may try again; unfortunately academic papers do my head in. I remember when the basics card was first introduced, with the ADF used to implement the intervention and thought to myself at the time; "This can't be good!" Now the new legislation will include old aged pensioners as well and make a full scale roll out so much easier. Cheers bear "It’s been tried before The biggest was the Basics Card introduced as part of the 2007 Northern Territory Emergency Response (the “Intervention”) which was only made possible through the suspension of the Racial Discrimination Act." Read more: dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/4914/welfare-card-piece-rachel-siewert?page=46#ixzz647N640TN
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Post by nomadic on Nov 2, 2019 18:46:09 GMT 7
The real thing about this card is; What right has someone else to tell others how to spend their money? AND IT IS THEIR MONEY FFS. And a filthy-rich person, Forrest, telling those in poverty what to do makes it even more despicable. It must surely be human rights abuse. But as usual, politicians are above the law. Again a growl seems inappropriate.
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Post by Trevros on Nov 2, 2019 20:12:28 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 9:37:01 GMT 7
Way to go Tassie... Lambie are you watching...No Cashless Welfare Card In Tasmania burst onto the political stage today. At 212 Liverpool St, No Card Tas joined with Retired Unionist Network and United Workers’ Union. Subsequently, we marched through the HOBART Mall and Franklin Square chanting Right To Demonstrate chants and No Card chants. Under the guidance of Tas’s legendary top chanter at demos, marches and protests, the peerless Rhiannon from UWU on the megaphone, we made a deafening sound in unison. The whole rally of 3000 joined in our chants as we made our noisy entrance on Parliament Lawns too, with the rally Convenor Of Ceremonies thanking the Retired Unionist Network for our effort. Bob Brown and Cassy O’Connor elucidated hypocrisies in the Liberals trying to enact legislation to jail and fine protestors as supposed criminals. Their speeches were excellent in passion and content. The event couldn’t have gone any better! There were about 15 of us marching, but 11 of us were absolute pros and veterans, so we sounded like 100 plus protestors. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2525922081011144&id=1415019052101458
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 8:56:30 GMT 7
Northern Territory group lobbies government to block the cashless welfare expansion
Indigenous representatives from the Northern Territory say there has been no community consultation on the cashless welfare card expansion.
A group of Indigenous delegates from the Northern Territory has travelled thousands of kilometres to Canberra to lobby government officials to abandon the expansion of the Cashless Debit Card.The delegation includes representatives from the Central Land Council, the Ngaanyatjarra Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara (NPY) Women's Council and the Arnhem Land Progress Association. The controversial Social Security bill is up for debate in the upper and lower house this week, which would see existing cashless welfare card trial sites extended and introduce the controversial system in additional communities in the Cape York region of QLD and elsewhere in the Northern Territory by April next year. The debit card, which quarantines 80 per cent of welfare recipient's income, has received heavy criticism for unfairly targeting Indigenous people. Policy Director from the Central Land Council, Dr Josie Douglas, says the group had met with members of the crossbench, including Senator Jacqui Lambie and MP Rebekha Sharkie, to encourage them to vote against the bill. "We are thankful that the Senator (Jacqui Lambie) has listened to us and understands and appreciates that there has been a lack of consultation," Dr Douglas said. "There's been a beaten path to all the trial sites of the cashless debit card, but given that the Northern Territory is being considered as a trial site, with up to 23,000 people will be impacted... There's been no visit to the Northern Territory," she said. The fate of the bill relies heavily on the votes of Independent politicians. Senator Lambie has previously said her support depends on the introduction of mandatory drug testing for politicians and increased rehabilitation services. Dr Josie Douglas (centre) is part of an NT delegation in Canberra to lobby the government to vote against the CDC expansion An open invitation to the Territory In the Northern Territory, the scheme would replace the Basics Card - An income management system that has been in place for 12 years as part of the Howard-era Intervention. A senate inquiry has been touring the country to hear from the public on the divisive issue. Northern Territory Aboriginal organisations have previously condemned the expansion, labelling it "dangerous and harmful." Dr Douglas says there needs to be more community consultation before the bill is passed. "The transition from the basics card to the cash debit card has not been an issue where Aboriginal people on the ground in the Northern Territory have been consulted," "It's a very strange situation and sadly... Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory are all too familiar with policies being made for them and about them, without coming to the NT to talk to people that will be impacted by government policy," she said. The group also had "brief" conversations with the Minister for Indigenous Australians, Mr Ken Wyatt. "He's quite surprised about the lack of consultation in the Northern Territory," Dr Douglas said. "We would encourage Minister Wyatt to also come to the Northern Territory and and speak to people on the ground about the cashless debit card." www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2019/11/26/northern-territory-group-lobbies-government-block-cashless-welfare-expansion
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Post by bear on Dec 4, 2019 4:39:29 GMT 7
Blantant discrimination.... what crime have those on welfare committed other than being dealt a bad hand in life that sees them isolated from the social norms of other citizens... a hand that is beyond their control... unemployment is manufactured by Governments at the bequest of multinational corporations to reduce profit squeeze.... and the sick, disabled and elderly don't willing elect to be were they are either!! No mention of the fact that reduced spending on these products and in these businesses will impact the jobs related to the production, supply, transport and delivery and service people in these banned products and businesses and add to the growing unemployed and underemployed. The LNP are economic imbeciles and the media are as bad. - AWN Products to be automatically declined under new cashless debit card trial
Small businesses will soon have the ability to automatically reject items banned by the cashless debit card thanks to a new pilot project being introduced by the Morrison Government. The card is accepted at about 900,000 businesses across the country but those which also sell restricted products must be signed up to accept it.Set up at eight businesses in several trial sites, the pilot project uses new technology which will see the business’ PIN pad recognise when a cashless debit card is being used and automatically decline the transaction if the shopping basket includes restricted products like alcohol or drugs. The customer could then remove the items and the transaction would then go through as usual. The new technology will also allow the Government to crackdown on workarounds by providing a quick process in which to block new restricted items. Families and Social Services Minister Anne Ruston said if the pilot was successful, all businesses would be able to accept the card, increasing consumer choice and eliminating criticism the card creates stigma at the checkout. The card quarantines 80 per cent of welfare recipients’ payments so the money cannot be spent on alcohol, drugs or gambling or to withdraw as cash. thewest.com.au/news/kalgoorlie-miner/products-to-be-automatically-declined-under-new-cashless-debit-card-trial-ng-b881398352z
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Post by bear on Dec 6, 2019 7:13:33 GMT 7
The Cashless Debit Card is part of Authoritarian creep, which affects us all (part 1)December 5, 2019 Written by: Mel Mac For those that don’t know much about the cashless debit cards (CDC), or income management, here is an article that I wrote with some history about income management in Australia, and how the BasicsCard came about, and here is my most recent one about the Indue card here. For readers that have already read these articles, please know that I have updated and edited them to reflect changes since writing them, and so that they can be read consecutively. We can also forget about the propaganda relating to the government doing it out of love for those with drug or alcohol problems. Why? Because there is already a government program set up for vulnerable people that have these problems, and yet they’re exempt from the CDC trials. Now that you have this background knowledge, let’s look at the bigger picture, and what it means for every single one of us if these types of policies continue. Scratch the surfaceWhat’s really happening is that the role of governing, and the public monies that fund governing, are being handed to the private sector piece by piece. Think about this, a private company, Indue, has not only been handed the power to dole out security payments for people, but also to decide what they can and can not buy, even whether to suspend or cancel a payment. Compare this with what is happening with human services that used to be run by the government, such as: job service providers, the ParentsNext scheme, the NDIS debacle, Centrelink call centres, even PaTH Internships. We must also consider how private consultants are taking over the role of public servants, as well as the outcome of the privatisation of: major banks, airports, toll roads, the NBN, the energy sector, detention centres in Nauru and Manus, public transport, prisons, and private security companies, et al, to really see the full picture. The transfer of power over the people from government, to the private sector, is the corporatisation of governing by stealth. I say stealth because governments have rarely taken these issues to elections, nor asked what the people want, they’ve done the bidding of lobbyists, donors, and corporations. This has been done very successfully in America since the 1980s, especially so with private security companies, it partly explains why they’re perpetually at war with other countries, there’s money to be made. The cashless society pushYes, society is increasingly going cashless but we will always need cash as a backup plan with never-ending online bank outages, emergency events such as bushfires, and because we’re not all digitally literate or connected, across such a vast continent. In 2016 Germany ended up deciding against introducing a €5,000 cash transaction limit. It’s also of note that early this year the International Monetary Fund (IMF), suggested that to keep central banks relevant and to make negative interest rates work, cash would need to be phased out. Imagine paying to keep your cash in the bank. Meanwhile our own government is currently pushing to ban cash transactions over $10,000 or more, this is being done under the guise of going after the ‘black economy’, despite IMF studies finding that our black economy has almost halved over the past 20-years. There are even fines and a gaol sentence on the table by our government if you don’t comply. Quite the punishment when we consider continual corporate tax evasion, and the latest scandal by another one of the big banks, Westpac, which broke anti-money laundering laws 23 million times. All of this despite the Banks Royal Commission. Last month Dr Johannes Beermann, Member of the Executive Board of Germany’s central bank, made some valid points where he promoted the importance of cash in his speech to the Payment Asia Summit in China, stating that: “Cash offers an easy way out” from being locked into electronic payment systems; cash gives “independence from social control and data collection”; and “Cash is the obvious choice of payment method when it comes to personal privacy. This strengthens individual freedom.” People should be able to have the freedom to do what they like with their finances, humans need autonomy to function healthily, it’s a human right of which the CDC and a cashless society takes away. CDC trial merchant expects cards to be rolled out for ‘all’ social security payments In case the screenshots are hard to read, here is the text from them, I can’t provide a link as the blog was pulled down once it started to get attention by CDC activists: “We are currently looking to extend the number of sites so if you are interested in participating. We are very interested in talking In some areas now, over 60% of the people have these new debit cards. For most of them, it is their only financial means. If you are in these areas, if you cannot accept these cards, you cannot make much trade with these people. Soon it is expected that the number of these cards will rapidly increase. It is likely that within two years, these cards will be Australia Wide as these will be I expect the primary means of paying social security. By numbers, depending on how you count between 33% to about 50% of Australian households get social security payments and with our ageing population, this is likely to increase in the future. Plus I can also see many people with drug and gambling problems volunteering to go on these cards and the courts enforcing these cards too on people with problems. If you want to look at it in dollar terms, we pay about $180 billion now in social security a year of which at least 80% plus will probably go through these cards. The adult population of Australia is around 18.2 million, so just with that, we are looking at about $9,000 a person a year. For many retailers now these cards are significant and I am sure soon for many more I feel very proud that in our market place we were selected to do these trials.” Final thoughtsIs this person privy to information that the public is not? Time will tell. What we do know is that neoliberalism and ‘dole bludger’ propaganda, has over time, dramatically changed how many Australians view social security assistance. We are a resource rich country, it’s an obligation of the government to share the wealth with those that need it. You could also say that it’s an economic stimulus, not so much if it’s given to third parties like Indue, to manage. The next part will look at how Indue and the government is getting away with it, and the push to open up income management for the banks. Many thanks to all of the sourced researchers, my Twitter community, publications, and artists involved in this article. theaimn.com/the-cashless-debit-card-is-part-of-authoritarian-creep-which-affects-us-all-part-1/
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Post by bear on Dec 10, 2019 18:10:57 GMT 7
#HumanRightsDay🙌 #HumanRightsDay2019
The Australian Human Rights Commission has submitted four times that the Cashless Debt Card and policy activates and infringes on the HR rights of people forced onto it. LNP have ignored this, for FOUR YEARS. Where are you Australia?
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Post by bear on Dec 10, 2019 18:12:03 GMT 7
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Post by bear on Jan 31, 2020 13:27:16 GMT 7
Jacqui Lambie says people scared and confused by Coalition’s cashless welfare card plan.
Senator says after visiting remote Indigenous communities that many there feel they have not been properly consulted over new card
Independent senator Jacquie Lambie says “the government has a problem” with the rollout of its controversial cashless debit card, after her fact-finding visit to the Northern Territory and Western Australia.Lambie visited several remote Aboriginal communities to “get a view from the ground on how the card is functioning, before voting on the government’s proposed changes for its future”, she said. Most of the people she spoke to “didn’t know any change was being proposed at all”. “Those that do know about it are scared and angry about the prospect of a big policy change that hasn’t been properly explained to them. Some of that’s down to confusion, some of that’s not. “The government has a problem here. They assured me these communities had been consulted, yet almost all the people I spoke to with had no idea the Basics card was going to be replaced.” Coalition push to expand cashless welfare card faces Senate roadblockThe Basics card is the income management regime introduced under the Intervention 12 years ago. Half a person’s income is held on the card, and there are restrictions on what the card can be used for. Cardholders cannot use it to withdraw cash from automatic teller machines or EFTPOS terminals, or to buy alcohol, tobacco, pornography or gambling products. The government plans to replace it with the cashless debit card (CDC), being trialled in Ceduna in South Australia, East Kimberley in Western Australia, the Goldfields in WA and Hervey Bay in Queensland with mixed results. “Anecdotally I would agree with the minister that for some trial sites the news is good,” Lambie said. “I know the card is controversial, but honestly you go and talk to these people and you’ll see it for yourself. They’re literally fearful of a future without the card.” But Lambie said the real aim should be “to get people off the card altogether”. “That doesn’t happen if there aren’t the jobs. And you don’t get people who’ve been unemployed for a generation into a job if you don’t invest in them. We’re on a hiding to nothing if we’re not building up their skills and confidence. All we’re doing is changing what it’s like to be on welfare. “And the rhetoric from every politician that talks about this is that they’re investing in the services, but I’ll tell you, come up here and see for yourself ... Almost all of the sites I visited – and I visited a few – said they’d been promised healthcare, jobs training, careers counselling, rehab services, you name it. And they’re not happy, because they’re on those cards, and they’re still waiting for help for them to get off it.” There are more than 21,000 people on income management in the NT and 83% of them are Indigenous, according to social services data. Indigenous groups, Labor, Greens attack expansion of cashless welfare cardLabor senator Malarndirri McCarthy travelled with Lambie across central Australia and the top end. “I’m really pleased that Senator Lambie came to the NT to spend the time that she did,” McCarthy said. “All I’m urging the crossbenchers to do is listen to the people and see the evidence for yourself in the Northern Territory.” The social services minister, Anne Ruston, also visited the NT last week, in the wake of Lambie’s tour. “I’m not going to second guess what Jacquie Lambie might do but I’m reasonably confident with the consultation that’s occurred,” Ruston told ABC Radio in Alice Springs. “Consulting and getting people to understand are two different things. I am still hoping to get legislation through in February.” Labor said it would not support the card unless it was voluntary. McCarthy questioned why, in rolling out the CDC, the government appeared to be removing restrictions on the purchase of tobacco and pornography currently in place in the NT. When the intervention began in 2007, the Howard government said it was necessary to restrict these items to protect children in communities that were allegedly vulnerable to sexual exploitation. “That’s a real concern,” McCarthy said. “It’s something I raised in October at Senate estimates … and the department couldn’t give me an explanation as to why the decision was made. There’s no evidence base, there’s no research, there’s no policy decision. It’s just porn’s now available, same as smoking.” Ruston said the change was to keep consistency across trial sites. “When the CDC first rolled out it was community harm, not individual harm, that was one of the biggest drivers,” she said on ABC Radio. The cashless debit card would roll out over nine months and she had “already decided to make some changes based on this visit”, she said. But the anecdotal evidence that it was working was “very, very strong”. An independent review of the CDC, by researchers at the University of Adelaide, is due to be released next week. amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/31/jacqui-lambie-says-people-scared-and-confused-by-coalitions-cashless-welfare-card-plan
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Post by agonydan on Jan 31, 2020 14:53:09 GMT 7
Looks like Jaquie Lambie is going to sell everyone out that is on welfare and pensions. She is a slug because she has no spine.
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Post by bunyip on Jan 31, 2020 16:51:40 GMT 7
Looks like Jaquie Lambie is going to sell everyone out that is on welfare and pensions. She is a slug because she has no spine. Jacquui Lambies son was on ice and she seems to think the card will stop drugs, yeah right, people can really support a drug habbit on $35 a day newstart, if people are on drugs they are getting the money from somewhere else apart from Newstart. If Lambie supports the card l think it means the liberal will have the power to roll it our national to everyone on centrelink payments including DSP, only old age pensioners exempt. l think morriosn said it would only be for people under 35 which wouldn't affect me for now but l wouldn't be surprised once the card is in place a few years down the track they extend the age range. Also l bet if theres a national rollout weak coward Labor wont unwind or get rid of the card if they win government, Interest a university of Adelaide report on the card comes out next week, l bet if it says the card is a failure the liberal will just ignore it
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Post by agonydan on Jan 31, 2020 17:10:18 GMT 7
Yeah not surprise that Lambies son is an ice addict so she thinks everyone who relies on welfare and pensions they are ice addicts as well. I have plenty of ice but it's in the freezer I must be punished and have my DSP put on the card. I remember the nationals wanting to roll out the card to people aged 36 and under who are on ne er Job seekers and the other payments.
Not surprising that Scomo and the LNP lot thinks that all people that are under 37 years are financial inept dills that need to have their money managed by the government.
Glad I don't have kids because the poor buggers future does not look great..
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Post by bear on Jan 31, 2020 19:04:14 GMT 7
The new legislation includes OAPers in the new NT & Cape York target areas...... legislation is written in such a way any further expansion will include OAPers countrywide. Without going and finding it......I do think though, they can exit. How successful that will be , going on current attempts, remains to be seen; as no application that had been made from 1 July 2019 has yet been approved for exit.
There are posts with the new legislation on the forum.....possibly in the Say No Seven (SNS) thread. Cheers bear
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