Hi ,,new and up for review

[aussieg46]

my bad sorry unable to upload them as an image to enlarge ... rying to find who else put their letter up and see if i can try and replicate how it was uploaded not only that im unable o take away page 2 a an attachment

[aussieg46]

Edit: aussieg46 I've just moved this over to your thread.

my son has 20 points under the one table ... he still has 0-7 and 8-14 intervention

if they decide he is sitting on his backside and not trying then they can ask him to go to a des an visit once a month , he finishes school this year

There is severe impact on intellectual function. his iq did not manifestly grant him as he was 71 on his year 8 one but is still in that range


(a) the person is assessed as having a score of adaptive behaviour of between 50 to 70, on either the Adaptive Behaviour Assessment System (ABAS-II), the Scales for Independent Behaviour – Revised (SIB-R) or the Vineland Adaptive Behaviour Scales (Vineland-II);

if i was not around like i was hed be up it creek

that was even taking in the letter from the unit (which is now ignored by c/l) and the guidance officer would not do another formal iq test ,,, it was on his 4th he ended up getting 71, and she put him down around 76 with a quick 20 questions being the start of a formal iq testing but stated he he became resigned as on as he heard the word testing,,, which was before all the questions, and referring to some new one that if he were to do he would end up scoring lower,

yes if someone was patient with him he could do some work like at the moment with his cert 2 the job place was with hi for the first 8 days but he copes much better splitting it into 2 x 4 hour days, but its his lack of concentration and concrete thinking which was witnessed in the interview and arguing with me he had to get to work even though i had informed work and it was for him to be there that afternoon,

its got me a tad worried with what happen after school as at 18 he still not much different to how he was at 12 .. although he has his mobility that will help if he cant keep his job after the trainee ship is finished as its only a small town but we are hoping such minimal hours wont be hard for the employer to keep hm on ,, even 4 hrs a week would be better than nothing as he has no idea how to get himself out in the community and is often on his PlayStations ,, although i was given another point of view that he isnt dealing with people he cant read so to him its safe and what his brain seems to understand,

unfortunately im his mother which still doesnt get it all these year later ... i feel for those who dont have family with or near them

[murphy]

aussieg46, it looks like you've seen the DSS Guide to Table 9? Has your son undertaken the tests listed, conducted by a psychologist?

guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/3/6/3/90

3.6.3.90 Guidelines to Table 9 - Intellectual Function
Summary

Table 9 is used to assess low intellectual function resulting in functional impairment. To use Table 9 the low intellectual function must have originated before the person turned 18 years of age.

Low intellectual function means the person has an intelligence quotient (IQ) score of 70 to 85. For people with an IQ score of less than 70, the manifest eligibility criteria should be applied. The manifest eligibility criteria should also be applied for people whose intellectual impairment is so severe they are unable to undertake an IQ test.

The assessment of the condition must be made by an appropriately qualified psychologist who is able to administer an assessment of intellectual function and an assessment of adaptive behaviour.

Under Table 9, an assessment of intellectual function and an assessment of adaptive behaviour must be undertaken.

An assessment of intellectual function is to be undertaken in the form of a Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale IV (WAIS IV) or equivalent contemporary assessment. This assessment should be conducted after the person turns 16 years of age. A Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC) assessment completed between the ages of 12 and 16 years is also acceptable for people aged 18 years or under at the time of assessment.

Intellectual function measured before a child turns 12 years of age may not remain constant into adulthood. Therefore, additional evidence may be required if the person's intellectual function was assessed before they turned 12 years of age.

Example 1: If a person had their intellectual function assessed before they turned 12 years of age but it was assessed more than once, at different ages, and the results of these assessments remained consistent, and supported a manifest grant this can be considered sufficient evidence of intellectual function in this situation.

Example 2: If a person had their intellectual function assessed before they turned 12 years of age and had only one assessment then an additional assessment of intellectual function may be requested to ensure the accuracy of intellectual function.

An assessment of adaptive behaviour is to be undertaken in the form of either the Adaptive Behaviour Assessment System (ABAS-II), the Scales for Independent Behaviour - Revised (SIB-R) or the Vineland Adaptive Behaviour Scales (Vineland-II).

Other contemporary standardised assessments of adaptive behaviour may be undertaken as long as they:

provide robust standardised scores across the 3 domains of adaptive behaviour (conceptual, social and practical adaptive skills),
have current norms developed on a representative sample of the general population,
demonstrate test validity and reliability, and
provide a percentile ranking.

Consideration must be given to the adaptation of recognised assessments of intellectual function for use with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as required.

The following table describes how adaptive behaviour tools have been aligned with impairment ratings under Table 9.
Points Impact SIB-R service level score Vineland-II standard score ABAS-II general adaptive composite scaled score Percentile rank on a current standardised assessment of adaptive behaviour

Table

Act reference: Social Security (Tables for the Assessment of Work-related Impairment for Disability Support Pension) Determination 2011 Table 9 - Intellectual Function

Policy reference: SS Guide 3.6.2.50 Assessment of People with Intellectual Impairment for DSP, 3.6.2.20 Manifest Grants & Rejections for DSP
Determining the level of functional impact

When determining which impairment rating applies to a person the rating that best describes the person's abilities or difficulties must be applied.

The descriptors in Table 9 outline how a score of adaptive behaviour aligns with an impairment rating. For example, to meet the 20-point descriptor a person must have either a score of adaptive behaviour between 50 to 70 or be assessed within the percentile rank of 2.

Determination of the descriptor that best fits the person's impairment level must be based on the available medical evidence including the person's medical history, investigation results and clinical findings. A person's self-reported symptoms must not solely be relied on. It would be inappropriate to apply an impairment rating based solely on a person's self-reported functional history if this level of functional impairment is not consistent with the medical evidence available.

Professional judgement is required regarding the best source of intellectual function and adaptive functioning information as in some instances it will be appropriate to obtain input from a parent, caregiver or teacher.

Act reference: Social Security (Tables for the Assessment of Work-related Impairment for Disability Support Pension) Determination 2011 Table 9 - Intellectual Function
Some conditions causing impairment commonly assessed using Table 9

Intellectual impairment resulting from:

Down syndrome,
congenital/perinatal or early childhood infections (eg rubella, cytomegalovirus (CMV), bacterial meningitis, encephalitis),
extreme prematurity or birth trauma,
a person with either autism spectrum disorder, fragile X or foetal alcohol spectrum disorder who also has a low IQ,
childhood developmental or congenital disorders.

Example: A 16 year old male, on finishing formal schooling lodged an application for DSP. He has been diagnosed with low intellectual function, which resulted from severe bacterial meningitis he contracted in early childhood. He has undergone an assessment of intellectual functioning and has an IQ score of 80.

A psychologist has conducted an assessment of adaptive behaviour with him, using the Adaptive Behaviour Assessment System (ABAS-II). He was assessed as having a score of adaptive behaviour of 71.

The report from his psychologist outlines that he has some behavioural issues.

The condition is considered fully diagnosed, treated and stabilised and under Table 9, he would receive an impairment rating of 10 points, given the moderate impact his condition has on his ability to function. Under the 10-point descriptor the young man would meet (1)(a). As his IQ score is above 69, he is not manifestly eligible (3.6.2.20) for DSP.

Act reference: Social Security (Tables for the Assessment of Work-related Impairment for Disability Support Pension) Determination 2011 Table 9 - Intellectual Function

[aussieg46]

murphy yes table 9 as he is ASD and LOW IQ

no he was never done under a psychologist, i was told by the school they're recognized as if a psychologist were to do it as th ame would be done etc .

it was the first thing i asked them as hes nearly 18 being on carers allowance for nearly his whole life a letter was sent prior to him turning 16 "inviting" him to apply for DSP ... it stated that i needed to have a an assessment of intellectual functioning and adaptive behavior which was done after his 14th birthday - from the unit confirming he was in it and doing some different curriculum to main schooling ,

up until we went in it was only the school (primary/secondary) that had done them with the teachers answering the questions and me left of any of the question input , life got in the way and rung and asked how long the process was told he could be on newstart - which i knocked back as i still had family tax benefits until he finishes school, so 6 of one really there.... was never aware of mobility that i could have been claiming from 16 ,,, although i don't sit on any website to see "what more i can get" from anywhere... no diff to carer allowance , never knew when he wa younger i could get that as we accept our kids a they are and that was the furthest on my mind ,,, that and my mother when i used to ring he was told not to compare my kids, it was hi preschool teacher that told me what she felt was wrong with him and started all the extra help ... which unfortunately he missed out on quite a few years not doing early childhood development ,,,however its in the past and may not have a difference 

wasn't until we took that letter over and the "proof" he was in the unit, that the lady in c/l did a very shortened one and then asked me the questions her argument was that it was consistent with the others and was conducted by a psychologist on the day, she was a really nice thoughtful lady who did her best with what little we had , his dr would not write a letter but i definitely made sure they could call him by filling in his details, although they did refer to the mobility report,

prior to applying for it on his behalf i was worried as which i did tell her in the interview as i know as much as i have tid to have him gain ome form of independence im at a loss of how to do that and being thrown in with his peers he would have no idea how to conduct himself in an interview, although she did say at the th time that there wouldn't not be some form of help through c/l  as he has no concept of time and how is one meant to see psychologist for formal IQ testing and that the guidance officer was of the opinion she could do another but the difference would be minimal (she agreed with that one actually and also felt sorry for him after having gone though 4 even though they were meany yrs in between) his lack of communication skills and the lack of ability to interact with people,,,

she never asked him  to do a full one as he had one done in gr 1 again in gr 5 when diagnosed by the pediatrician with ASD  again in yr 8 before the age of 14 and then the big one jut after his 14th birthday which then  education dept put him down as permanent and verified, those last 2 had to be done like that

i should have been a lot more prepared as a mother , one cant see his problems until he starts talking, although i had submitted the diagnoses from the pediatrician albeit 9 yrs ago as autism doesn't disappear. even though she couldn't get him on the low iq going from 70 up to 71 3 yrs later she then did the questions with me that dragged him down , if i wasn't sure how to answer i gave her examples as i told her maybe i shouldn't be the right person and didn't want to over state answers 

her other argument was it was me being asked the questions not the teachers who only see him in that environment and not out in society and that by not including me it would have made the results of the others look higher than they were,  she also asked how he conducted himself when we went shopping any disruptive behavior etc,,, she wa aware of out "slanging" matches when he comes home from school as it his way of venting from his day at school and has done that for many years  also by doing it at home hes not doing it at school to the teachers where he can get in trouble for being disrespectful, 

i had no problems throwing him to the wolves as anyone who knows what they a looking at and understands asd under the circumstances as the dr doesn't see him often enough to really know him ... 

maybe we got really lucky with the person how conducted the JCA , but it definitely helps when they can see young adults that all their lives have struggled with their disability and do the best they can with it, but from that experience it someone being asked to do a job with the right information and or she understood asd with how he functions in normal day life and unfortunately th asd is actually worse than the low iq bu under those circumstances only table 9 was allowed to be used


even though i may have been a tad slack with gathering a doctors letter as that dr doesn't like me. what i needed came from the school who knew him way better and i had a bit of a laugh to see they had used that mobility report as well, although i was definitely prepared to appeal if i had to,,, then he would have had a letter stating what the dr needed to put in a letter ,,, as well a proper iq done through a psychologist which would have been harder for him to do and brought it down more. a apparently there is now a version 3 out which he hasn't seen and is harder again, 

wasnt sure where to put this if there is a more appropriate place for it please do move it to there ,,, as this experience may be able to help someone else with school leavers who dont quite "fit" neatly into their table 9 under the iq ,,, although if the iq hadn't of been there he still would have met the extreme table 7 as he meets minimum of 5 under that table yet only has to meet one, but thanks to the iq part it had to be table 9 it in under the autism part, 

[aussieg46]

murphy whos the best to tag to have a quick look at the letter from my doctor on page 1 last post,,, im so hoping its enough it was the best i could get from everything else is documented and thats the latest ct results and he wont refer me t another neuro fora new report, im hesitant with submitting it as it doesnt state what happens in me when its exacerbated by pretty well much whatever i do, i would have liked a more detailed letter,,, although he has been my dr for the last 2 yrs and knows about the report has read the report and the other ct results from yrs ago,,, i think brent62 has the right idea, ever year for ct scans, however the other letter i saw on here stipulated what happens when an exacerbation or flare up happens , my dr wouldnt put anything about numb hands did address the lower sitting standing tolerances but the time length of the them not th fact i get hip pain and pain down my leg..the JCA report from 2011 did state that the timing has now lowered in comparison to the first report although the neuro did stipulate it would decline over time, but also too they referred the dma and the jca that neither were put in the TDR's ,,, hes never had to do a letter for out here o thi is the first one, or hould i pussh even futher or wait for the jca to happen have them ring him with a note from me on how all this crap about my neck houlders and back accect me for when they ring,

apologies nor did he put down that i wouldnt be any good for any studies for a return to work either,, or is my head jsut blowing it out of all proprtions due to the stres of a form that details what theyre after now no longer exists.. aseven though i took thaqt form to him he then decided a letter was better to type up than fill out a 32 page form

[murphy]

The letter seems quite comprehensive in relation to the two conditions. It's pretty difficult to get a doctor to write a letter exactly in the terms of the Tables and legislation. Did you ask him to include information about your hands?

Another tact you can take is to request your medical records from the GP's practice and add these to your medical documentation -- they should mention your hands and that could be a way to get documentation about your upper limb function to the JCA.

[aussieg46]

its easier upload the jca and the original dma, ill do that now it on a pdf just need to extract it and maybe black out a name otherwise its nothing that has personal info on it,

but no when it read it will be easier to understand how it was interpreted in the reports done for s/l

sorry but ye i did say they needed to know about how it all affects me and my hands have been worse than numb for the last few months, as too my sitting tolerance and definitly the standing ones, it was on a orange piece of paper dot point, he asked me if that wa god enough that waw when i told him they need to know it affect my ability to work, so hat was all he put, 

and no the other practice never put it down either but they knew about it thank to the report but never wrote it down and there is nothing on file about that slowly yr by yr the old codger is destroying my file bit by bit so all thats gone

[aussieg46]

finally mused with the attachents

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[aussieg46]

one more to go

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[aussieg46]

last one.... first 2 are the last ca i had when i chose to be linked with a service provider.... the last 5 are the original dma'

differs alot when it its in their writing and not in my doctors he had everything and acces to all reports xrays and scans, 

i know hte advice given was if he could put about study as well it would be better than not but even though its thorough with what hes typed hes laid how it affects me, all the TDR to date prior to him did state neck back pain etc but still werent overly precise with tolernaces ,, and not sure how its going to go when its a neuro report from 2004 that says how it does affect me,,,


me is just hoping that im blowing it out of proportion but im well aware of s/l's affinity to not ask for info and or how many times you need submit the same info over and over again,, happened moons ago when i was on ppp 6 letters in 3 months all requesting the latest tax return but do witha child turning school age ,,,


o i was a smat tush and never took it after being told it was only to do with that ,,, any of hte paperwork that was requested in the preceding 5 visits ,, when i was asked for them i had her look at hte computer and asked exactly what wee they after as they hax been given the same information 5x in 3 months and yet nothing had changed ince in that 3 months and what was it about a child being school age did they need sorted 

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[murphy]

When you are called for the JCA, be sure to talk about how your conditions affect your ability to function, rather than how bad the conditions are. The current Tables are very much about how you function. I would encourage you to look at the Tables carefully and think about how your ability to function has been affected in terms of the Tables. Previously you've been assessed under the old spinal function Table; now conditions affecting the spine appear in Table 4, but it's possible that Table 1, for example, might also be relevant to you. So, have a look through all of the Tables and think about how your daily activities are affected by your disabilities.
www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2011L02716

I'm a little confused about what is happening with your son. Has he been granted the DSP with 20 points under one Table? Is he being reviewed?

[aussieg46]

thanks murphy ,,,no my son has just been granted dsp ...an yes assesed under table 9 20 point off the bat for him,,,,,which under that particular thread i found it not sure if you noticed the odd parallels between the 2, my brains been mush for a long time

thought by putting up the experience may have been of some use to whomever has school leavers that dont quite "fit"

i may have been wrong but thought there was a few parallels on that post that may be able to be drawn from, though i wasnt aware that the guidance officers weren't now no longer sufficient (A Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC) assessment completed between the ages of 12 and 16 years is also acceptable for people aged 18 years or under at the time of assessment. a was done Vineland Adaptive Behaviour Scales (Vineland-II) although there is now a vineland 3) that had been done but not after 16 and he is under 18 until the 25th of this month as well as.. however it may have just been pot luck on out part to have the JCA we got, she wsa over helpful  


it was much easier for me to start his as it was so absolutely straight forward and easy,,(other than PES) which thanks to staying in the dsp application pile is the hardest as all forms thought filled were sitting in among he original application in January so the last sent it to he right dept so it could be dealt with AND still hasnt been,,,,also im nominee for him for everything including having to look after his money :-(


mine seems like im pushing a boat uphill trying to get the info they need.... was due on the 15th of april so needless to say its only the dr and his letter that has held up the process,,

although according to the lady that took those letters in was to make sure he had the neuro report for if/when the jca rang him and that he has it where he can have it under his nose, and to make sure he knows is open to sitting down and listening to how it affects me with whatever i do, its the ability to function that i dont understand with it all,

when you man my ability to function would that not be classed as self assessed even though its in the neuro report albeit an old one that stated they do as well as my leg,,, my sitting/standing tolerance are lower again although not sure if a dr can put that in without another specialist report although what hasn't gotten better is when i turn my head i cant do so that well and never got back that ROM prior to the accident have tried turning my head in small bits to try and get more than 1/4 if even to get it that far, so need to move my top half at the same time and it still hurts even that way...

its not like i dont meet any of the spinal table 4 but the dr wont listen to me about whats happening in me either .. maybe should be more upfront with this dr as im really starting all over again medically as everything in my file is still with the old practice ... although i know drs dont like people being a tad what i call forceful when im not being listened to, he doesnt seem to be listening

i realize i come under this one, National Disability Insurance Scheme Savings Fund – Medical risk based review of current DSP recipients These additional reviews will be targeted at those DSP customers who are most at risk of not meeting the current eligibility criteria and who may have the capacity to work to ensure people are on the right support for their situation,,

but i dont know how i couldn't fit into the tables as i can see straight off table 1 and 4 for both even if its 10 points each although there is the one about moving from your trunk to look sideways up and down and all around that satisfies that one right there, without even going to table 1 but even that one would attract points if i were honest with him and went every time i had the breathing problems, IF he bothered to not joke around about it, ,,, ive not told him the chemist said that i can use 8 puffs but take 2 wait a bit if it doesn't help do another etc,,,, every 4 hours ,,, maybe when that happens i should be going to him and not the chemist, so its all documented as yeah it may be stable but the fluctuation is bronchitis thru sinusitis and asthma isnt it??? how confusing, (ugh that never goes away, go figure i get chronodose jabbed into me when its at its worst as the long term affects is years down the track of having brittle bones) actually i was put on that years ago thanks to all 3 not going away

im not used to going to a dr at the drop of a hat and complaining about what wrong with me when i know its viral and nothing can be done for it but go to bed and die for a few weeks when its at its worst then still not be able to breathe for quite a while after that ... is that what im meant to be doing as it he that doe the scripts, and see me every 3 months to say hi as he has too,,, which id rather sit and see a dr every couple of weeks and let them know what happening without across like im whinging ... but i do know i still end up with bronchitis and i know im laid up when it happens so i cant see how i stated it has no impact on my ability to work as it clearly does if im laid up etc,,, and with the sinus to go with it its mass constant headches more reliant on puffers more that dont do squat ... im always reachng for th immediate breath one even though i take the preventer one,

AFTER AL THAT when i go thru the tables do i look thru it as though im doing them and what happens when i do them is that what is meant by function based. even though its meant to be based on what you can do not what you cant do, as someone in a wheelchair can still sit and do clerical work if they are minimally moving around ... although i would have thought that would have come under self assessed as its not in the drs letter but itill in hte original neuro report, are s/l actually aware that it isnt easy finding a dr that can do their job efficiently and take notes not jut type scripts, our family doctor 30 ys ago was a very good one if there was a concern she listened and did her best ,,, so far removed from these ones

what i do know pass or not ill be expecting he takes notes on EVERYTHING from here on in no matter how minute and that i get sent to whichever one is better between the 2 to keep those specialist reports up to date,,, forth next future one,


told a friend with ms to get his stuff together too and prepare his as they no longer go by diagnoses only he was put on disability long before me at the request of someone working in c/l itself when he took in one too many medical certs,, with any luck hell be lucky but still another 2 yrs of reviews to go, he said hes diagnosed etc,, yeah well so am i but hasn't stopped them ..pretty well much told him unless hes manifestly granted which i cant where ms is, he can end up on the same island,

sorry did spell check thi time hop its easier to understand its just really frustrating as nomadic put it on another post

May 3, 2017 9:59:16 GMT 10 nomadic said:
Alas the fact that you won out proves that you went 4 months with untold stress for nothing. Again how about some accountability from those who caused this stress and loss of money to the tax payer for no reason. People who were considered disabled prior to 2012 are now considered to be now not disabled until they prove it again. Miracles going on everywhere. Maybe i will get my entire body use back soon. Those being put on new start no longer have the disabilities they had in 2012 or prior. Miracles are indeed real with Satan link. We are all cured.

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The JCA is the best time to pretty much think about the worst days and symptoms. Even though we don't always think about them specifically we are all affected in daily functions.
Worth listing down before the interviews the symptoms and how it affects your function.

[aussieg46]

an example of function .... last weekend when paddock pony had colic i was up every hour my daughter came up to help on the hour i was doing the hearbeat check she was doing the physical stuff every hour ended up not being able to stand as upright and ended up walking like a 90 yo by the end of it but progressively went from normal to worse - normal still isnt that crash hot ,,, as to stand properly was just not happening, as for looking in any direction forget it my body literally ceased up on me,,,unless im doped and cant feel a thing ,,,, yeah ya pain free when ya go to town on maxing ya meds but i shouldn't have to be doped up to the eyeballs do stuff though not a nice place to be in.i can forget driving when im like that no way would i get behind the wheel of a car and actually ask people to drive me to where i need to be .. for me to have the ability to push through it all thats what i have to do, though not often under those circumstances ,,,i was not ready to have a hole dug for another one of the horses


when i type i can give it my best shot but after the first 3 sentences my hands and fingers hurt big time a few more of them more so as im trying to hit the keys harder when i use a different finger the letter miraculously appears as ive gone from a touch typer to 3 or 4 finger typer, although losing my balance when i got up quick and fell on my tush didnt help since then the what feels like the stick digging into back constantly is still there but not a bad and this has been happening since then that and my shoulders feel real weak in them ,

feel free to put anything on my shoulders and arms to carry but dont freak if they give out... i deliberately do tapestry for 5 minutes at a time,,, if ya dont use ya gonnna lose it, i got the rubber things for my fingers so i dont have holes in my thumb and when it comes un numb its got no holes in them to hurt ,,,

when i got my last tax job i lasted 2 weeks behind the computer got to the point where it was brain block when doing basic addition took longer and or had to start again numerous times, my ability to laugh at myself in front of the client when i had
lousy 10 figures going down an would get lost half way thru found doing that it didnt look as bad in the hope they didnt realize the brain gone on vacay without my permission,

ive been doing my driver training again and i book people an i give them 3 times with the choice of 2 days to choose from what suits me..i just make out im busy if they try to pick another day and ask what other day could suit them my limit is 3 people if that a week ,,, even then im happy when its finished,,,, told the dr i know im in the wrong job as its sitting th limited ability to move much and have the mirrors set so i can move my head as little as possible and that its testing me to the hilt ,,, i make me do that so im not judged by dotors or anything of the "like" when id rather be with my dog and interact with the birds and not having to deal with people as when im sore in me i let loose on the first person that ticks me ,,, where i volunteer on a friday morning its 8.30 -11.30 even though they havnt asked me anything specific and respect my privacy i know im able to let someone know i need to the small room for alone time when im sore, but it a way i can slowly do my stretches and feel useful the lady on the side with me gets the lower and heavier items for me, and the ones on the higher shelf of the bay and they dont mind if i miss a friday here or there its how i feel in me when i wake up on the day

kinda did that last week actually when the chiccie coughed on the back of her hand then went to touch my drink when i was in the xpress lane that time buying lil carton of vanilla milk i was nicely sarcastic when i threw in how good the hand disinfectant works as she went to touch it .. she had no flippin idea if i meant it or not and looked at me weird ,,if it wasn't for the woman that has been there for 20 yrs told her to use it as she knows me well enough when i come across like that im being "itchy" serious , thankfully it was a good bad day,,

this process of how they do reviews is a real "debbie" we didnt have to have as much to do in the process we could let our drs put up with it and take in a paper form and that was it, now ya have to bring yourself down to earth and think about it and not try and keep ya head buried who knows where .. as you guys already know if ya like me its tiring enough putting on the everyday mask ..

these tables are they actually function based. do they slot you into one of the table categories ones in the, then ask you how it applies to you the more you do ,,,,,

next week for another physio referral ,,,why i have no idea ,,but should i get to have me do stuff and actually see how far it goes before it starts to hurt etc ,,, try and help me figure out "what the" as to how to put it to what i can do .. which hes told me im pretty well yeah wont go there ,,,,

sorry just dont get the function based stuff ...comes across like a selection criteria application, is that what its meant by that ... and yet i feel its something should be dead easy to know what it means... oops edit another essay .. OR is it the symptoms that are shown on the tables that to me seems more logical

[aussieg46]

thought id give an update just got a letter in todays mail its an on the phone jca,,,,, what a thing to look forward to ,,, not sure if i should freak out now or not ,,,,, nice to get 2 days notice its happening on thrusday