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Post by anx1973 on Jun 2, 2012 13:49:46 GMT 7
hi all I have been on DSP on and off for about 11 years , my payment was cancelled about midway through that time period . I have a social disorder and get terrible anxiety when around people . I'm 38 . Recently I have tried to take th first steps to gaining some part time work . However I have come around to thinking about completely forgetting the idea . It was my wife's idea but to be honest , i know I wont be able to hack it . I had a JCA done by a local doctor and then went to a meeting at a job service. My case manager there that I met was really good , in term's of pretecting my DSP . This meeting remember was voluntary , I wanted it . At the meeting he asked me to assess certain thing's. Most of my abilties were put in the ' severe ' term but my confidence was put ' moderate ' . Since I have heard about the unlimited portability , I would like to apply for it . As I am having second thought's about being able to get work and keep it . Do you think my volunteering for the job search will have a detrimental effect on my getting the unlimited portability ? I feel if I could travel back in time a month then I would be a ' shoe in ' except as I have recently taken this step maybe it will hurt my chances ? Also as I said the dude at the job service is really good , do you think I could even get him to change the JCA to one which would be looked more kindly in term's of the portability ? ie : confidence back to severe ? I havent worked for 11 years but the fact I have looked for work the last few weeks , will it hurt my chances ? Hi Anx. I would say that yes, going to see one of those agencies will now be used against you. This is exactly what they want us all to do, so that they can seize control of our career and now even our treatments. The job guy might be being nice to you, but that is because, the harder a case you are to find work for, the more they get paid for having you on their books. Your age will also be a barrier. While just outside the age group they are targeting to get back into the workforce, those under 35, you are not far off that. They would assess you as having another 30 years in the workforce, based on qualification for OAP. I find it sus that they have marked your confidence as moderate. Since your ability to interact with other people, is your biggest barrier to working, they have down played this issue, by bumping up your status. They might not want to change that. I was marked in my JCA as having less than average reading and writing skills, because there were plenty of cleaning jobs around they wanted to put me into, despite years of computer and secretarial experience prior to having kids. JCA's cannot be changed easily, nor by our own choosing. They are carefully crafted documents, designed to say we are fit to work, when we are not. We have no right to steer their contents away from their own goals. JCA's are not usually done by GP's, they only complete the medical details. Was your JCA done at the employment agency, or by a Centrelink worker operating out of a GP's clinic? To change your JCA and your rating, you need to generate a new Job Capacity Assessment interview. You could try just asking C/L for one, explaining that there has been a change in your circumstances. The other way to do it is to lodge a medical certificate with C/L, this will generate one. However, since you are already on DSP and not subject to having to look for work at the moment, they might not want to accept a certificate exempting you from same. Thanks for the reply spaceyone , yeah I have a feeling I have shot myself in the foot :-( .
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Post by Banjo on Jun 2, 2012 13:53:07 GMT 7
Here's the letter I got from my MP Kate Ellis, I read this to mean that the work stuff is voluntary which means it can be walked away from at any time without recriminations. Attachments:
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Post by Banjo on Jun 2, 2012 13:54:49 GMT 7
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Post by Banjo on Jun 2, 2012 13:56:20 GMT 7
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Post by anx1973 on Jun 2, 2012 14:36:30 GMT 7
Here's the letter I got from my MP Kate Ellis, I read this to mean that the work stuff is voluntary which means it can be walked away from at any time without recriminations. Thanks for the info Banjo , very much appreciated .
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Post by spaceyone on Jun 16, 2012 9:11:40 GMT 7
Good to be back, after being offline while moving house. I was fortunate enough to be offered one of the few rental properties in my region which does not have rent equivalent to its market value in today's rental climate. NSW Housing tried to ensure that I would loose the property, by not paying the bond before the date I was to move in. But that is another story I will be writing up soon. When I moved house at the end of last year, I had some real problems getting NSW Housing to pay part of the bond for me. For two and a half weeks, my application kept getting put to the bottom of the pile, and was not processed before I was due to move into the new place. In fact, it still took another two weeks to get it paid, after I had moved in, because NSW Housing were trying to force the landlord to raise the bond. I see in my Centrelink records that someone contacted Centrelink two days before I was due to move in to the new place, and logged a note that I was in danger of becoming homeless. I had never told Centrelink I was moving house, nor did I approach any social workers about same. I simply moved, and advised them of the new address later. Now why would someone record that I was about to be homeless, when the only issue that could have created that event, was what NSW Housing was doing to me. In fact, I had already signed a year long lease, a month before moving in. I did not have to vacate my prior rental property, that was done by choice. But then again, I am just paranoid, and create all this stuff myself. But, I can't help but think that Centrelink and Housing tried to deliberately force myself and son back into homelessness. They are such wonderful people who work there.
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Post by latindancer on Nov 13, 2012 17:36:08 GMT 7
Then.. i just read the new tables and some of the threads showing articles on how they are being applied.. MAN O MAN have they gone out of their way to boot the bejesus out of the sick and injured.. as Australians we should all hang out heads in shame that we treat our ill-health citizens with such disdain..! Couldn't have described it better myself. I feel terribly sorry for those with no understanding of the Centrelink system, legal system or DSP processes.. just be reassured, if you get legal advice, and speak with the Welfare Rights people at each stage of your matters, you should win every time. Read the other advices that I myself and others have put up on these forums and please.. never give up..! I too feel very sorry for those people who are less capable of standing up for themselves, especially because of the condition they are receiving DSP for. Welfare Rights gave me some very good information too.
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Post by newtodsp on Dec 11, 2012 19:39:10 GMT 7
Has anyone been reviewed under the new impairment tables? I am feeling quite worried about being reviewed under these as they seem quite strict and you know how Centrelink always underplay how capable we are. If anyone has, can they share their experiences. I know someone reviewed under the new tables, he came through fine but I don't really know how severe his disabilities are.
The fact that we have to score 20 points on one table is a bit scary, especially how the number of points one gets due to their impairment has been watered down.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 11, 2012 20:24:39 GMT 7
Yes, I had a review for the Unlimited Portability this year. I actually wondered if this would be the same as applying for the DSP but we were told the same tables were used.
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Post by nomadic on Jan 20, 2013 15:02:44 GMT 7
I would like to let you know of my recent experiences with the new impairment tables. When portability went to 13 weeks from 1 year for me in 2005 i was not classed as severely disabled. who would have guessed they had catagories anyhow. So i lost my SSAT and AAT appeals thinking i would win on logic alone. then i spoke to legal aid who told me to go and have a thorough medical as i may be severely. back then if you got 20 points in a medical you could get dsp. if you got 45 or more you were deemed as severely. sure enough i got 50 points but by then it was to late as unlike civil and criminal law once a decision was made at the SSAT under administrative law it can never be reversed even in the federal court. so for eight years i flew back every 13 weeks sometimes on flights for as little as $270.00 return K.l. to Perth. Fast forward to November 2012 and i read if you are severely with irreversible health and no work capacity you can then get indefinate portability. So at least after eight years i now qualify. So i get a C/L appoinment and they agree i have no work capacity and my health is irreverable. but you are no longer severely disabled they say. firstly they told me i have weakness in the left arm. No mention of the loss of fine motor skills or pain etc. So medibank pay $220.00 for me to see a neurologist to get more info. Then i speak to C/L thinking all will be solved. No she said and when i asked what would have to be wrong with my arm to qualify she replied "even if it was amputated you wouldn't get enough points". I then asked to look at the impairment tables which they sent me and i was assessed under four of them. I got a total of 35 points but you need 20 on one table and i only got 3x10 and 1x5. So i looked at the cognitive table as i have a brain injury. There were 10 examples of problems you may have. i ticked 9 of them and rang them again for the ten thousenth time. Again she said" sorry those were only examples and they dont qualify you. Utter garbage to put it politely. So to the Aro who denies me also but he even got it wong by saying i was asking for more than thirteen weeks when i had actually appealed the six weeks legislation which starts when i finish this thirteen weeks in feb 12. Because of how cheap i live in a box with a fan i can easily fly every thirteen weeks and would at least continue as i have since 2004 but six weeks is not really feasisble and i may lose my resident status even if i did return every six eeks and not leave the airport. So it seems the human rights avenue may be best for everybody in the long run as they only twist and turn in every direction when we see a solution. Imagine the compensation we would all recieve if this does turn out to be illegal rights abuse since 2004. a huge cover up in now going on and we must show the world at large. VIVA LA REVOLUTION! Replace all politicians with human beings.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jan 20, 2013 15:53:34 GMT 7
Hi Nomadic,
I hope it all works out for you....
I had to realize, eventually, that what I thought did not matter sh*t.
They changed the rules.
So I have to make sure that I follow the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 9:29:31 GMT 7
Banjo my need to clarify the work capacity hours Howdo, but I can tell you that I started undergoing a Doctors Report with one fool, then jumped ship and had it finished properly by another Doctor! But the funny thing is; it seems to mater little what the Doctor actually states, the JCA Assesser is the one who defines your problems! After I got my JCA file, it was blatantly obvious that all the bullshit we have to go through to get "IP", is just that; Bullshit!... But you cant bullshit a bullshitter, and I got mine, Thank God:))
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Post by fedup on Mar 29, 2013 21:34:18 GMT 7
So WTF else do I have to prove to these pricks www.lifebroker.com.au/tpd-insurance/any-occupation#.UVWlB2skqSNI am going f/$$&n insane trying to prove my point No answer from anyone. Medical. Legal or otherwise Two claims paid out under any and I still have go thru this shite Should be able to sue their ass for stress and anxiety,driving me insane
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Post by seajae on Oct 23, 2013 19:44:55 GMT 7
In "07 my rating was 35 points, from memeory it was about the same when I started dsp in '93. When they made me go for re assesment in January this year they gave me a rating of 15 points based purely on what the young guy that interviewed me said, must have been thinking about his commission for killing me off. On my ARO I was instantly taken back to 25 points, not once was my doctors reports, physical assesments taken notice of probably because they stated I was unemployable and had no future work prospects. Centrelink are just trying to cut as many people as they can and using crap to do it, gillard just wanted to try to get a budget out of defficit and she buggered that too.
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Post by anotherdsp on Oct 24, 2013 17:21:21 GMT 7
TO SEAJae,they asked you for a reveiw? if so you can only be reassessed under the tables pre 2004 as this would of been grandfathered as such? or did you apply for u/p and if so it would be under the new tables! that is how they can cut out the grandfathering!! clever arnt they ! lol
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