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Post by boxr on Apr 8, 2019 23:35:26 GMT 7
Hi my names Nathan Ive been reading through this forum and its not what i expected, im slowly starting to see things differently and i feel like a hypocrite now im here.
A year ago i was diagnosed with a permanent mental illness. Apparently ive had it forever but ive managed/forced myself to live with it up until now, i havnt worked in two years as i just cant, even tasks unrelated to employed income, like recreational stuff, tinkering around the house (rented) or on my car. Every attempt and i end up burnt out and on the couch just trying to sleep time away. Im also angry as most of the time. im 41 I never thought of applying for the DSP as i thought you had to have like a leg missing or are blind, but my GP, a social worker, an NDIS guy and a friend i respect mentioned DSP, why don't i apply and why am i not on it. Im here looking for help or advise please, ive recently handed in my application and it was returned declined. I didn't meet the 20 points and i also received a call two days later stating i needed a letter from a professional that the illness has stabilized and im receiving treatment, at least i think thats what is required, as usual i got angry as and told the clink guy theve got more than enough information and then called him a ###en asshole at the end of the call. I know thats not good but im kinda scared, my GP (longest ive had one, about 2 years now) said it would go through, she was confident and i was too in a way. What do i do now, the guy on the phone mentioned two weeks to get the documents in, that wont happen in time as my GP wont be back for a week. But even after i get them in and if she has them whats next, can i apply for VCAT now to skip all the suffering/bullshit Clink will throw at me??
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Post by nomadic on Apr 9, 2019 5:15:17 GMT 7
Welcome boxr. You are just repeating what we have been hearing for years. I will let the experts give you the best advice on the evidence side of things. All I can say is if you persist you will get DSP. It is a criminal game they play to make people give up. So once you get all the evidence off professional medical experts you can start the appeal system. Then you firstly go back to Centrelink and an authorised review officer (ARO), will go over it and most likely reject it again but maybe not. Then you need to go to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, (AAT), It needs to be all done in a rational way. Never ever abuse them in any way as this never helps. I wanted to abuse them so many times as they are not decent people. But beating them at their own game is more of a reward. Wear them down like they try to do to us. Hopefully the Royal Commission on disability abuse will include them. Take care.
P.S. Even if you fail at the AAT you can go to the Federal Court but you must be as determined as and never accept anything they say unless it is for your benefit as they are 100% liars much of the time. Most people trust them. DO NOT! There are many far worse cases of people being denied first up.
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Post by muggins on Apr 9, 2019 5:21:08 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 6:59:23 GMT 7
yes most DSP claims these days are rejected, even some people with terminal illness and no legs get rejected, to get the DSP you pity much have to fight to get it over a couple of years, with appeals and so on
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 7:28:39 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum boxr Great advice given out so far. Having mental illness myself I hear where your coming from. I'll dig up some links and post them here later today. Just out out interest; did you undergo a JCA (job capacity assessment) before you had your application denied? They made the right decision with your application by the way. In order to qualify, the disability must be fully diagnosed, treated and stabilized. In the case of mental illness that includes GP, Psychiatrist or Clinical Psychologist. Your anger issues suggests stabilization needs to be addressed or at least hidden from Centrelink as much as possible. It all takes time! Don't beat yourself up with the hypocrisy thing; as my signature (at the bottom of my posts) states:- "Justice will only be served when those who are unaffected, are as outraged as those who are...." Benjamin Franklin. Are you on medication? Are you taking your medication? Is the medication working? I ask these questions; as it can take up to three months to take effect. Side effects are usually, lethargy in the morning; but hang in there because; as well as stabilization of your thoughts, it should also curb your anger. Mental illness is a serious debilitating disability that means changing your life forever. Self care, eating regularly and a good night's sleep are required, along with a whole new routine to fill in your days with thing that can make YOU happy. To overcome the lethargy I found forcing myself to have cool showers when it was driving me mad in the mornings, eventually became routine. Example:- I get up, put some music on (I like my music), make a coffee, maybe two, drink it slowly, let the day arrive, take it in andhave that shower. It left me refreshed, exhilarated to be alive and the day didn't seem so bad anymore. I like walking, so, that's what I'd do next; for a couple of hours and take another shower when I got back. You just have to make it up as you go along mate! Over a period of twenty years psyches changed my diagnosis three or four times, currently I'm alleged to have bi-polar; it is stabilized and I'm living a fairly normal kind of life. No swings & roundabouts anyhow. Take care Nathan, cheers bear
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Post by Denis-NFA on Apr 9, 2019 8:41:47 GMT 7
boxrWelcome Nathan and all the very best.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 11:17:55 GMT 7
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Post by nomadic on Apr 9, 2019 15:43:40 GMT 7
Anyone who can walk around Chiang Mai moat is no longer disabled. Old maybe but not disabled. I can only walk from Nobel house to bar shop across the road from mansion. Be there or be square. Next Thursday 5.00. p.m. I hope. Can't wait. Just had a Schooner for 140 baht. PAENG & PAIN!.
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Post by boxr on Apr 9, 2019 18:23:48 GMT 7
Thank you all very much, the advise has made a big difference. I can refer here in future when i get worked up over the bureaucratic insanity of it all. Looks like patience is the key while jumping through hoops.
I did have a JSA done about a year before i put DSP application in, that got me transferred to a DSP job network after a sick leave was granted. I didn't have much evidence for that just a letter from my GP.
Without going into too much detail, the second psychiatrist i was referred to from the first, diagnosed me and prescribed me meds. There "uppers" that bring me up to function at the same level of most other people, i can function well with them but at the moment im not taking them as trying to get the DSP its no time to be doing trial and error stuff with medication to find the right dose or type, also i loathe dealing with this psychiatrists, hes a walking talking sales douchebag. The things i could say about this guy. "Let them know i refered you" thats a kickback for something i didn't specifically ask for, like i can afford to piss money up against the wall.
Thanks for the toolkit and links lots of reading to do.
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Post by nomadic on Apr 10, 2019 16:08:02 GMT 7
Yes boxr, slowly but surely is the way to go. They try to wear us down to think we have no hope so you must reverse it. You will get what you are entitled to if you persist. No abuse, just the truth that they will eventually give in to. Needless as we all know but needed because they are not decent things.
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Post by tasjo on Apr 11, 2019 21:52:12 GMT 7
Hi boxr Just a couple of things that come to mind that may help... If you have a diagnosis from a psychiatrist, and particularly if it's within the last 2 yrs then you will have met the 'diagnosed' part of the DSP criteria. Try and have a good look at the 'reasonable' part of any treatment... I have a number of medications that I get severe side effects from or that have certain criteria to be prescribed and they are not classed as reasonable. If you can show (via your GP or another specialist) that you are not taking medications due to side effects then it can help meet the 'treated' criteria. Also remember that 'stabilised' in Centrelink terms doesn't mean there are no fluctuations... In simple terms it means that you have tried all 'reasonable' treatments and your capacity to work has not increased to more than 15 hrs a week with or without support. Look at the relevant impairment tables for mental health impairment and if possible get your GP and/or specialist to write letters/reports that relate to the impairments.
In relation to the 2 weeks, Centrelink ask for that but legislation gives you 13 weeks to provide it. I believe that backpay used to happen from when the intention to claim was lodged, I think it is now from when a completed claim is received.
Also remember that there is nothing to stop you providing additional information for a review and also reapplying at the same time as you appeal.i went through 2 claims,and the 2nd was reviewed by an ARO and appealed through AAT level 1 and 2.
If possible do you have someone that can be a nominee on your behalf to speak to Centrelink? I have done this previously for people who have trouble dealing with Centrelink.
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Post by cripple on Apr 12, 2019 18:22:38 GMT 7
Gday mate, and welcome to the union
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