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Post by nomadic on Apr 19, 2020 7:06:12 GMT 7
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Post by nomadic on Apr 19, 2020 7:08:13 GMT 7
Maybe a sinister plot? people now on DSP will change to the dole to get more and then when things are back to usual they will be getting less again and not allowed back onto DSP.
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Post by bear on Apr 19, 2020 7:15:15 GMT 7
OAP is the same as DSP; no media outlets seem to care about that though. Whatever gives them the most clicks I guess.
From Ruston: "Pensions, including DSP and Carer Payment, are long-term payments and are typically paid at the highest rate of support in the system — significantly higher than the JobSeeker base rate — because recipients are not expected to work to support themselves due to age, disability or caring responsibilities."
Well guess what Ann, this isn't typical, and now we're not typically being paid the highest rate; if that were true we'd be getting paid at the "Job Keeper" rate of $ 1500 fortnightly, instead of that amount being paid to bosses, who may or may not put people back on. Cheers bear
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Post by tasjo on Apr 19, 2020 8:36:31 GMT 7
If this statement were true then those who were receiving full rate jobseeker prior to the pandemic would be in exactly the same position as someone on full rate DSP, Carers or Aged Pension. It ignores all of the people who receive partial payment through part time income... If this were correct and noone on DSP or Carers were expected to work then why have a 'work capacity' of up to 15 hrs a week and allow for part pension payments? Real example: 19yr old on Youth allowance living away from home - entitled to supplement, will receive approx $900 per fortnight Parent on DSP who prior to pandemic had partner with part time income of $600 per fortnight plus $600 per fortnight partnered rate DSP, now has lost $600 per fortnight income, full rate partnered DSP increases to just over $700 per fortnight (loss of $500 per fortnight directly due to pandemic) The other thing that hasn't changed for DSP, carers or aged Pension is the partner income rate or the reduction rate, reinforcing the statement by Rushton that pensioners don't work... Talk about a stereotype
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Post by paddy on Apr 19, 2020 9:09:10 GMT 7
Maybe a sinister plot? people now on DSP will change to the dole to get more and then when things are back to usual they will be getting less again and not allowed back onto DSP. Clink and govt themselves even said DSP is the right payment for them, so ffs remove that bad incentive and give those on pensions the same assistance.
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Post by bunyip on Apr 20, 2020 6:51:09 GMT 7
The dole is now $750 a week used to be $260, Just 6 months ago the liberasl said $260 was adequate to live on and they will not raise it even by $50 but now we will have 1 million white collar and more likely liberal voters unemployed they lift it from $260 to $750 . The liberals consider $260 a week OK for an unemployed cleaner but when lawyers and accountants end up on the dole they raise it to $750.
Yes the liberals would probably love it if a 100,000 of us DSP's switched to newstart because when the crisis is over they will drop newstart back to the old level and the 100,000 would be trapped on newstart for good
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Post by nomadic on Apr 20, 2020 7:42:49 GMT 7
The dole is now $750 a week used to be $260, Just 6 months ago the liberasl said $260 was adequate to live on and they will not raise it even by $50 but now we will have 1 million white collar and more likely liberal voters unemployed they lift it from $260 to $750 . The liberals consider $260 a week OK for an unemployed cleaner but when lawyers and accountants end up on the dole they raise it to $750. Yes the liberals would probably love it if a 100,000 of us DSP's switched to newstart because when the crisis is over they will drop newstart back to the old level and the 100,000 would be trapped on newstart for good Yes bunyip, just when you think they cannot come up with anything more despicable they do. Their vileness is infinite. WE WANT YOUR VOTES! Naught matters apart from that.
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Post by bear on Apr 20, 2020 10:22:53 GMT 7
The dole is now $750 a week used to be $260, Just 6 months ago the liberasl said $260 was adequate to live on and they will not raise it even by $50 but now we will have 1 million white collar and more likely liberal voters unemployed they lift it from $260 to $750 . The liberals consider $260 a week OK for an unemployed cleaner but when lawyers and accountants end up on the dole they raise it to $750. Yes the liberals would probably love it if a 100,000 of us DSP's switched to newstart because when the crisis is over they will drop newstart back to the old level and the 100,000 would be trapped on newstart for good Let's not exaggerate and perpetuate BS, ok? Jobseeker/Newstart is being paid to all unemployed, along with those who've recently become unemployed who qualify, at the rate of $550 a week; to be capped for six months; at the moment. The $750 figure is the Job Keeper payment which is purportedly being paid to employers to pass on to employees that will be put back on at the earliest convenience. Personally I don't agree with this payment because of its propensity for rorting by business; as well as the ease it will allow Government to lie about the true unemployment figures. The extra $200 on top of Jobseeker notwithstanding of course..... cheers bear
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Post by nomadic on Apr 20, 2020 12:13:37 GMT 7
The dole is now $750 a week used to be $260, Just 6 months ago the liberasl said $260 was adequate to live on and they will not raise it even by $50 but now we will have 1 million white collar and more likely liberal voters unemployed they lift it from $260 to $750 . The liberals consider $260 a week OK for an unemployed cleaner but when lawyers and accountants end up on the dole they raise it to $750. Yes the liberals would probably love it if a 100,000 of us DSP's switched to newstart because when the crisis is over they will drop newstart back to the old level and the 100,000 would be trapped on newstart for good Let's not exaggerate and perpetuate BS, ok? Jobseeker/Newstart is being paid to all unemployed, along with those who've recently become unemployed who qualify, at the rate of $550 a week; to be capped for six months; at the moment. The $750 figure is the Job Keeper payment which is purportedly being paid to employers to pass on to employees that will be put back on at the earliest convenience. Personally I don't agree with this payment because of its propensity for rorting by business; as well as the ease it will allow Government to lie about the true unemployment figures. The extra $200 on top of Jobseeker notwithstanding of course..... cheers bear Ok, so to clear things up to stop me talking more bs than usual? Before the virus the dole was $250. a week but now it IS $550 a week for everyone. But only for 6 months? then goes back to $250. All pensions stay the same apart from one or two $750. payments? Employers can get $1,500 a fortnight to go towards wages if their business is slow? As soon as all is back to normal and most go back to their old jobs, who were unemployed for a few weeks only and had enough to get by on for that short time while those still unemployed as before go back to $250. And still no sight of that better thing for them. A JOB?
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Post by paddy on Apr 20, 2020 13:10:57 GMT 7
The rates need to be retained after this is over but raised for all so no one is left behind. Raise the Rate is now pretty much retain the rate.
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Post by bear on Apr 20, 2020 14:06:40 GMT 7
Let's not exaggerate and perpetuate BS, ok? Jobseeker/Newstart is being paid to all unemployed, along with those who've recently become unemployed who qualify, at the rate of $550 a week; to be capped for six months; at the moment. The $750 figure is the Job Keeper payment which is purportedly being paid to employers to pass on to employees that will be put back on at the earliest convenience. Personally I don't agree with this payment because of its propensity for rorting by business; as well as the ease it will allow Government to lie about the true unemployment figures. The extra $200 on top of Jobseeker notwithstanding of course..... cheers bear Ok, so to clear things up to stop me talking more bs than usual? Before the virus the dole was $250. a week but now it IS $550 a week for everyone. But only for 6 months? then goes back to $250. All pensions stay the same apart from one or two $750. payments? Employers can get $1,500 a fortnight to go towards wages if their business is slow? As soon as all is back to normal and most go back to their old jobs, who were unemployed for a few weeks only and had enough to get by on for that short time while those still unemployed as before go back to $250. And still no sight of that better thing for them. A JOB? That's my basic understanding on it nomadic , happy to be proven wrong though....along with tasjo 's example of DSPers and OAPers who were doing part time work to make ends meet, that may now be down 50% or so on their fortnightly take home gross, though they should get the two $750 payments. I also agree with paddy , it's a no brainer really; "Retain the Rate." I think I said somewhere that to eventually go back to the original rate will only delay the inevitable mortgage foreclosures, and any one in that situation should be factoring that cut into decisions they should be making today. It will be fascinating to see how an entire generation or two who have never suffered too much hardship approaches this. Cheers bear
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Post by nomadic on Apr 20, 2020 17:36:40 GMT 7
So finally; Now the NEW unemployed get more than those on DSP or OAP? WHY WHY WHY? The usual one word perhaps? VOTES!
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Post by isleboy on Apr 20, 2020 17:41:44 GMT 7
So finally; Now the NEW unemployed get more than those on DSP or OAP? WHY WHY WHY? The usual one word perhaps? VOTES! It's also to minimize + prevent an uprising & to keep most quiet...
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Post by bear on Apr 20, 2020 17:45:37 GMT 7
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Post by nomadic on Apr 20, 2020 17:54:08 GMT 7
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