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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 9, 2024 19:56:15 GMT 7
Hi, seeking help navigating the forms and avoiding any pitfalls. Any insight/assistance would be much appreciated. Have my file, have 20 points. It also contains an assessment from my psychiatrist and a JCA assessment, both of which are ten years old or so, the doc said I couldn't work at the time, and had capacity for 7 hours or so in a couple years time with assistance. Centerlink said much the same though increased a little on what the doc said. I've since recently gotten an updated report from my psychiatrist. Says my conditions are unchanged despite extensive treatment, and are unlikely to ever improve, and states that I have no capacity to work, and that is unlikely to ever change. I brought him the tables to reference, and he wrote such that will secure my 20 points plus provide me a little extra. From the little I know that should keep me out of trouble right? It's just navigating these forms in such a way that I don't, or the doc doesn't shoot me in the foot. As it seems they are specifically constructed to facilitate just that. I really don't want to screw this all up with some BS technicality or something. The forms make me nervous. I presumed they'd be nice and simple, silly me, and thought I had all my ducks in a row by this point
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Post by nomadic on Jan 9, 2024 20:20:38 GMT 7
Welcome and good luck. Sounds like you are on top of it. But i have not filled in any forms for 20 years.
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Post by genx on Jan 9, 2024 22:10:16 GMT 7
Hi, seeking help navigating the forms and avoiding any pitfalls. Any insight/assistance would be much appreciated. Have my file, have 20 points. It also contains an assessment from my psychiatrist and a JCA assessment, both of which are ten years old or so, the doc said I couldn't work at the time, and had capacity for 7 hours or so in a couple years time with assistance. Centerlink said much the same though increased a little on what the doc said. I've since recently gotten an updated report from my psychiatrist. Says my conditions are unchanged despite extensive treatment, and are unlikely to ever improve, and states that I have no capacity to work, and that is unlikely to ever change. I brought him the tables to reference, and he wrote such that will secure my 20 points plus provide me a little extra. From the little I know that should keep me out of trouble right? It's just navigating these forms in such a way that I don't, or the doc doesn't shoot me in the foot. As it seems they are specifically constructed to facilitate just that. I really don't want to screw this all up with some BS technicality or something. The forms make me nervous. I presumed they'd be nice and simple, silly me, and thought I had all my ducks in a row by this point There is a tick box in the forms which is very tricky. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it somewhere here on the forum. It relates a checkbox which insinuates that you could get back to work at some point. Another is "do you wish to include a medical certificate" which is a definite "NO" because per Centrelink rules, medical ceritificates are not for permanent disability. Actually, let me check my records. The trick question that 90% of doctors fall for is "current impact of patient's ability to function is expected to persist for", and then a number of checkboxes. A lot of doctors will say "I don't know the future", but the doctor is being asked to predict the future and anything less than the maximum ("more than 5 years" in the form that I am looking at) means that the doctor is saying that your condition is not permament. The next trick question relates to the stability of the condition and how this will affect your ability to function within the next too years. Remember that your condition must be stable. Your doctor must determine that the condition will "remain unchanged" or similar verbiage (I don't know what is in your form). Anything else, like "slightly improve", "deteriorate", or anything other than remain as it is now is disqualifying. The next question is about the condition in 5 years time. It must also "remain unchanged", and in the explanation box, the doctor must explain that the condition is of a permanent nature with no likelihood of remission or change.
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Post by bear on Jan 10, 2024 8:35:26 GMT 7
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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 10, 2024 11:22:26 GMT 7
Taking a look at the forms I think I've got it mostly figured out, as far as avoiding the pitfalls. One thing though, work capacity. Is there a number of years? A figure? Like there is for other criteria? Eg " in my professional opinion he has no capacity to work for at least the next 5 years, and likely many years to come " would that suffice? What's the figure regarding WC. I ask because my doc isn't comfortable stating that I will never be able to work for the rest of my natural life. I'm sure he'd write 5 years, probably 10. But the former he is not comfortable with
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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 10, 2024 15:13:35 GMT 7
Ah, it does seem to be 5 years, " a dsp recipient may be granted IP if the JCA indicates that, based on the evidence and the assessor's professional opinion, it is unlikely they will have any capacity to undertake work in the open employment market at or above the relevant minimum wage in the next 5 years even with interventions "
Source - google search guides.dss.gov.au
That's a government website at least, though I don't know how to check if that information is right/ exact and up to date. Could someone more savvy than myself clarify/ fact check that for me please?
Hopefully that's correct. Because as I said, the doc isn't comfortable stating that I'll never be fit for work until my dying day, but he will definitely write the above for me.
Some quick searches of IP work capacity criteria turn up stating that the IP work capacity criteria is to have NO FUTURE WORK CAPACITY. Though I'm beginning to suspect that they consider/ deem, and word, no work capacity for next 5 years as NO FUTURE WORK CAPACITY.
The semantics is all a bit annoying honestly, but this is no time to be guessing about anything. I must be certain of everything if i wish to be successful in my application. If someone could assist me in clarifying the above it would be much appreciated
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Post by bear on Jan 10, 2024 16:45:02 GMT 7
Ah, it does seem to be 5 years, " a dsp recipient may be granted IP if the JCA indicates that, based on the evidence and the assessor's professional opinion, it is unlikely they will have any capacity to undertake work in the open employment market at or above the relevant minimum wage in the next 5 years even with interventions " Source - google search guides.dss.gov.au That's a government website at least, though I don't know how to check if that information is right/ exact and up to date. Could someone more savvy than myself clarify/ fact check that for me please? Hopefully that's correct. Because as I said, the doc isn't comfortable stating that I'll never be fit for work until my dying day, but he will definitely write the above for me. Some quick searches of IP work capacity criteria turn up stating that the IP work capacity criteria is to have NO FUTURE WORK CAPACITY. Though I'm beginning to suspect that they consider/ deem, and word, no work capacity for next 5 years as NO FUTURE WORK CAPACITY. The semantics is all a bit annoying honestly, but this is no time to be guessing about anything. I must be certain of everything if i wish to be successful in my application. If someone could assist me in clarifying the above it would be much appreciated Social Security Guide Version 1.314 - Released 2 January 2024 guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/7/1/2/10In the link above or go to P4 #12 in the link given earlier and again below for general information questions. Scroll to 4th tranche of information. By reading the thread you might find more useful information on how the department may view certain criteria regarding work capacity. Cheers 🐻 dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7798/understanding-portability-2023?page=4
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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 10, 2024 17:29:34 GMT 7
Ah, it does seem to be 5 years, " a dsp recipient may be granted IP if the JCA indicates that, based on the evidence and the assessor's professional opinion, it is unlikely they will have any capacity to undertake work in the open employment market at or above the relevant minimum wage in the next 5 years even with interventions " Source - google search guides.dss.gov.au That's a government website at least, though I don't know how to check if that information is right/ exact and up to date. Could someone more savvy than myself clarify/ fact check that for me please? Hopefully that's correct. Because as I said, the doc isn't comfortable stating that I'll never be fit for work until my dying day, but he will definitely write the above for me. Some quick searches of IP work capacity criteria turn up stating that the IP work capacity criteria is to have NO FUTURE WORK CAPACITY. Though I'm beginning to suspect that they consider/ deem, and word, no work capacity for next 5 years as NO FUTURE WORK CAPACITY. The semantics is all a bit annoying honestly, but this is no time to be guessing about anything. I must be certain of everything if i wish to be successful in my application. If someone could assist me in clarifying the above it would be much appreciated Social Security Guide Version 1.314 - Released 2 January 2024 guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/7/1/2/10In the link above or go to P4 #12 in the link given earlier and again below for general information questions. Scroll to 4th tranche of information. By reading the thread you might find more useful information on how the department may view certain criteria regarding work capacity. Cheers 🐻 dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7798/understanding-portability-2023?page=4
The above link in this message doesn't seem to provide any information
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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 10, 2024 17:30:12 GMT 7
Not sure if it's an error or something
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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 10, 2024 18:31:12 GMT 7
I did gather from your other link there with people discussing work capacity that you personally noted that it is indeed " unable to work for at least the next 5 years " that being the case, I should be OK hopefully. Hopefully genx chimes in and let's me know if there's any other details that I should know of
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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 10, 2024 18:34:59 GMT 7
Unless anything else is pointed out to me, I'm just going to go for it. I think I know the relevant information now. I guess I'm just seeking validation and assurance that I'm doing this correctly. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot
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Post by bear on Jan 10, 2024 19:45:09 GMT 7
The above link in this message doesn't seem to provide any information Scroll down close the cover page...... Then you'll see the info. Then scroll down to the 4th tranche of information:- "Indefinite portability of DSP - severely impaired disability support pensioner" Or click on the other link which takes you to P 4 and scroll down to post # 12 which gives exactly the same info.
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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 11, 2024 16:56:51 GMT 7
Thanks, that confirms what I believed to be the case, no work capacity for at least the next 5 years is regarded as NO FUTURE WORK CAPACITY.
I'll have doc word it as " he has currently, and will continue to have for at least the next 5 years, NO capacity to work or engage in training, and NO amount of assistance will change this. Additionally, it is highly likely, that he will continue to have NO capacity to work or train for many more years to come, and any assistance is highly unlikely to change this "
That aught to do it. Everything sealed up air tight.
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Post by nomadic on Jan 11, 2024 20:22:36 GMT 7
Please let us all know how it turns out please. We like to know when people get their entitlements.
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Post by charliepotatoes on Jan 11, 2024 21:18:35 GMT 7
Please let us all know how it turns out please. We like to know when people get their entitlements. will do, I'm quite hopeful I'll get it, I've done my homework and definitely meet the criteria. I'm not making some half ass attempt with it by a long shot. Sure would be nice to get the good news and turn hope into reality. Will change everything. Wish me luck
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