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Post by roxane on Jul 17, 2012 9:52:13 GMT 7
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Post by Banjo on Jul 17, 2012 10:34:08 GMT 7
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Post by roxane on Jul 17, 2012 10:45:08 GMT 7
got even more confused, or might be outdated as it talks about 26 weeks
"Australian disability support pension under the Agreement shall not be payable for more than 26 weeks to a person who is not severely disabled while that person is outside Australia"
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Post by Banjo on Jul 17, 2012 10:58:11 GMT 7
Agreed, I'll try to have another look tonight.
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Post by roxane on Jul 18, 2012 12:30:13 GMT 7
This getting really interesting. Made an other call to CI, had a really long talk, and the information I was getting is that the agreements are different for each country. Germany for ex, you are allowed to say up to 26 weeks without being reassessed. It seems that it will be the same from jan 2013. But before coming to this conclusion, this CI person gave me three different versions, in one single conversation. I wonder if the policy maker himself understood the policy he was making. I really have a feeling that CL is making up it's own rules and makes changes wherever they think they can. With Int. Agreements it's much harder, that's why I guess the complete confusion. So I will get them to put it in writing. A policy person will clarify it, and will give me a call back in the next few days.
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Post by scuzzy on Jul 18, 2012 19:34:46 GMT 7
This getting really interesting. Made an other call to CI, had a really long talk, and the information I was getting is that the agreements are different for each country. Germany for ex, you are allowed to say up to 26 weeks without being reassessed. It seems that it will be the same from jan 2013. But before coming to this conclusion, this CI person gave me three different versions, in one single conversation. I wonder if the policy maker himself understood the policy he was making. I really have a feeling that CL is making up it's own rules and makes changes wherever they think they can. With Int. Agreements it's much harder, that's why I guess the complete confusion. So I will get them to put it in writing. A policy person will clarify it, and will give me a call back in the next few days. Hey Roxanne; The best resource for you to refer to while you are trying to get a handle on this 'Agreement Country' stuff is the 'Guide to Social Security Law' freely available on the web. This is what the other person on the end of the phone is refering to for their information, and once you see it, you'll understand why you get three versions during one phonecall. It's complicated. I'd look for your answers there because if you've read it there, then you've got it from the horses mouth. If you act on what you're told on the phone, you've got no recourse later if it turns out that person had no idea what they were talking about and gave you dud info. But if they come through and give you the info you want in writing then all the better.
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Post by Banjo on Jul 18, 2012 19:53:33 GMT 7
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Post by roxane on Jul 18, 2012 20:09:09 GMT 7
thanks for the link.
"DSP for people living in Germany can only be granted to people who are severely disabled.
"People living in Australia can qualify for DSP under the Agreement if they are not severely disabled. However, they cannot take that pension outside Australia, including to Germany, for more than 26 weeks."
But the question is, will this remain 26 weeks from 01 Jan 2013??? And do you have to be reassessed or not?
Sorry but it's not exactly clear.
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Post by battler on Jul 19, 2012 7:52:30 GMT 7
Hi, I was told by C/L that portability from the 1st Jan 2013 has been cut from 13 weeks to 6! includes just about all pensions except for the OAP. What Next?
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Post by Banjo on Jul 19, 2012 12:37:08 GMT 7
Welcome to the board battler. Yes, that was a little surprise from Wayne Swan when he made this years budget. You work out why because I can't.
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Post by bundyrum on Jul 20, 2012 4:13:56 GMT 7
on the 1/1/2013....u wiill only be allowed o/s travel for 6 weeks..and maybe only about 3 times a year or your residency is in trouble..
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Post by howdo on Jul 20, 2012 4:49:58 GMT 7
on the 1/1/2013....u wiill only be allowed o/s travel for 6 weeks..and maybe only about 3 times a year or your residency is in trouble.. Hi bundy, Mate I haven't seen anywhere in the new legislation where it mentions how many times you can go overseas. My take on it is you just arrive back on Australian soil and head back out again, same as the 13 week portability.
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Post by Banjo on Jul 20, 2012 4:58:10 GMT 7
I hope you're right howdo but we got complacent about the 13 week portability and they pulled the mat out from under us. We need to get a commitment in writing from someone on the top of their perch.
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Post by rowdy on Jul 20, 2012 5:31:30 GMT 7
on the 1/1/2013....u wiill only be allowed o/s travel for 6 weeks..and maybe only about 3 times a year or your residency is in trouble.. Portability definitely reduces to 6 weeks on the 01/01/2013 - that's a fact. There is NO limit however on the number of trips overseas you can make, however, the more trips you do may bring into questions your residency status. The test is still the same though, are you a resident as required by s.7(3) of the SSAct.
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Post by howdo on Jul 20, 2012 6:53:01 GMT 7
on the 1/1/2013....u wiill only be allowed o/s travel for 6 weeks..and maybe only about 3 times a year or your residency is in trouble.. Portability definitely reduces to 6 weeks on the 01/01/2013 - that's a fact. There is NO limit however on the number of trips overseas you can make, however, the more trips you do may bring into questions your residency status. The test is still the same though, are you a resident as required by s.7(3) of the SSAct. Thats the way I see it rowdy. Just be prepared to have your collar felt somewhere down the line and then fight the bastards for all your worth.
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